Message from @Sampuka

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2017-06-10 00:27:34 UTC  

the ownership and social connections of production

2017-06-10 00:27:39 UTC  

in some abstract sense

2017-06-10 00:27:46 UTC  

Howdy do everyone

2017-06-10 00:27:47 UTC  

this will not be a problem in practicallity

2017-06-10 00:28:05 UTC  

What would change for me if my business was seized?

2017-06-10 00:28:13 UTC  

you would no longer "own" it

2017-06-10 00:28:15 UTC  

What do you mean by this? What exactly are you seizing?

2017-06-10 00:28:22 UTC  

I think it's the same

2017-06-10 00:28:23 UTC  

And what do you mean by giving a share to workers

2017-06-10 00:28:25 UTC  

you tell me friendowhat would you do\

2017-06-10 00:28:27 UTC  

he's describing a cooperative

2017-06-10 00:28:32 UTC  

but hiring 1 worker for charity

2017-06-10 00:28:39 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki depends on what kind of revolution, you still haven't stated any

2017-06-10 00:29:06 UTC  

what type of revolution do you support

2017-06-10 00:29:12 UTC  

idk, any almost

2017-06-10 00:29:25 UTC  

oh im ancap so argument over moving on

2017-06-10 00:29:25 UTC  

tell me what they mean in different types of revolutions

2017-06-10 00:29:36 UTC  

since we are being illogical here

2017-06-10 00:29:47 UTC  

in market socialism, you buisness will still exist, but you will no longer be the owner

2017-06-10 00:29:50 UTC  

(note im not actually ancap)

2017-06-10 00:29:53 UTC  

all workers will cooperatively own it

2017-06-10 00:29:57 UTC  

bourgeois revolution, socialist revolution

2017-06-10 00:30:16 UTC  

in ML revolution, the state will seize it I think

2017-06-10 00:30:25 UTC  

and some central plan production will utilize it

2017-06-10 00:30:59 UTC  

the state will find workers and find something to use the products for

2017-06-10 00:31:18 UTC  

in anarchist revolution it would probably be seized by local community instead of state

2017-06-10 00:31:30 UTC  
2017-06-10 00:31:37 UTC  

Hey

2017-06-10 00:31:40 UTC  

Love u babes

2017-06-10 00:31:46 UTC  

What are the implications of seizing a pickle shop in an anarchist revolution?

2017-06-10 00:31:57 UTC  

btw I do not claim to be an expert on this, I am not very literate on this

2017-06-10 00:32:01 UTC  

hm

2017-06-10 00:32:29 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki the implications are that the factory will be freed from your ownership, and usable for the community to use it as wished

2017-06-10 00:32:29 UTC  

the great revolutionary pickle shop debate with moving goal post .... ahhh a classic

2017-06-10 00:33:34 UTC  

@Deleted User yeh this is too specific for proper discussion

2017-06-10 00:33:42 UTC  

but I like doing it nontheless

2017-06-10 00:33:56 UTC  

also I need sleep sooner rather than later

2017-06-10 00:34:17 UTC  

dont forget he gave this worker a fair share originally then cut his pay to minimum cause he was lazy too in this what if scenerio, as tho that ever happens in irl capitalism

2017-06-10 00:34:26 UTC  

False

2017-06-10 00:34:29 UTC  

You did not follow it

2017-06-10 00:34:34 UTC  

Originally he was given minimum wage