Message from @Mros

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2017-06-11 05:01:24 UTC  

Does this include people who did not know about Christ and died after the crucifixion?

2017-06-11 05:01:44 UTC  

*"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation" (CCC 847).*

2017-06-11 05:02:40 UTC  

So basically, Christians who didn't even know about Christians.

2017-06-11 05:02:49 UTC  

Yeah

2017-06-11 05:03:12 UTC  

its like that tengri thingy

2017-06-11 05:03:16 UTC  

There is still one last problem, unfortunately. http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/faith-vs-reason-debate-2.jpg

2017-06-11 05:03:27 UTC  

It specifically mentions grace, *"Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life" (CCC 1996)*

2017-06-11 05:03:48 UTC  

People born in certain geographies have a greater likelihood to be brainwashed by other faiths.

2017-06-11 05:03:58 UTC  

No, it is not like Tengri thing. It has specific requirements.

2017-06-11 05:04:05 UTC  

Does God account for this?

2017-06-11 05:04:08 UTC  

People brainwashed?

2017-06-11 05:04:29 UTC  

They need to be able to overcome this

2017-06-11 05:04:33 UTC  

and accept the true faith.

2017-06-11 05:04:41 UTC  

Yes, God accounts for all conditions. *"The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for" (CCC 27).*

2017-06-11 05:04:55 UTC  

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be worse for someone to be born in Saudi Arabia than the Vatican.

2017-06-11 05:05:16 UTC  

Would it be fair to judge them both on acceptance of the Gospel?

2017-06-11 05:05:40 UTC  

Hmm, I'll leave that to Mros.

2017-06-11 05:06:33 UTC  

It is fair to judge them if they have the truth before them and reject it.

2017-06-11 05:07:00 UTC  

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be much worse to be born in Saudi Arabia

2017-06-11 05:07:38 UTC  

As in highly likely that the man born in Arabia never accepts the Gospel compared to the Vatican

2017-06-11 05:07:54 UTC  

It is still fair

2017-06-11 05:07:56 UTC  

I assume God would make an exception for this?

2017-06-11 05:08:17 UTC  

It depends, do they know about Christianity? If so then yes it's fiar.

2017-06-11 05:08:45 UTC  

Eh, well

2017-06-11 05:08:52 UTC  

This is why the followers of Christ are called to preach the word unto all nations

2017-06-11 05:08:56 UTC  

What if they never truly explore Christianity because they have been raised to reject it in favor of another religion?

2017-06-11 05:08:59 UTC  

wouldn't it also depend on their level of knowledge?

2017-06-11 05:09:29 UTC  

If they just knew there were people called Christians, is it still their fault for rejecting it?

2017-06-11 05:09:36 UTC  

No

2017-06-11 05:09:48 UTC  

They had to concsiously reject it

2017-06-11 05:09:49 UTC  

Or would they have to know of the bible, at least the largeer moral principles, and so on?

2017-06-11 05:09:51 UTC  

Wouldn't this mean it would be better to not spread the Gospel at all

2017-06-11 05:10:08 UTC  

No, because the people still have to live moral lives despite the lack of knowledge

2017-06-11 05:10:14 UTC  

Okay, just making sure I understand.

2017-06-11 05:10:16 UTC  

Which isn't every case

2017-06-11 05:10:20 UTC  

Why? It would make it harder for them to go to paradise.

2017-06-11 05:10:35 UTC  

I mean, if they raped a child and beheaded their wife...

2017-06-11 05:10:50 UTC  

People without God are more likely to do this?

2017-06-11 05:11:01 UTC  

I mean, they can't live 100% Christian lives. But they can be good by what their heart calls them to do.

2017-06-11 05:11:23 UTC  

IE God's pulling them toward goodess.

2017-06-11 05:11:40 UTC  

Then Christians should not spread the Gospel