wait limboexist? prof

Not allowing paradise to people because they never heard about the Christian message is called time favoritism and geographical favoritism. In this case, an all-good god apparently does not offer his children the same chance for salvation.

This logic does not hold.

They all have the same chance

All they have to do is accept Christ

As a point of internal theological consistency, Limbo solves the problem of 'what about those who have never heard about Jesus'.

Not those who came before Judaism or never hear the message, because of time, geography, or his weak robed men.

Limbo is still worse than paradise.

Didn't they say something about, after Jesus was crusiied, he came down to the land of the dead and opened the gates of Heaven?

well those who go to limbo could still become faith militant

I saw that quote somewhere.

*According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, before the Resurrection, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Adam and Eve, and all the righteous were in the Limbo of the Fathers (limbus patrum) where they remained until "in his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven’s gates for the just who had gone before him" (CCC 637).*

What about pagans?

Virtuous pagans are included

Does this include people who did not know about Christ and died after the crucifixion?

*"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation" (CCC 847).*

So basically, Christians who didn't even know about Christians.

Yeah

its like that tengri thingy

There is still one last problem, unfortunately. http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/faith-vs-reason-debate-2.jpg

It specifically mentions grace, *"Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life" (CCC 1996)*

People born in certain geographies have a greater likelihood to be brainwashed by other faiths.

No, it is not like Tengri thing. It has specific requirements.

Does God account for this?

People brainwashed?

They need to be able to overcome this

and accept the true faith.

Yes, God accounts for all conditions. *"The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for" (CCC 27).*

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be worse for someone to be born in Saudi Arabia than the Vatican.

Would it be fair to judge them both on acceptance of the Gospel?

Hmm, I'll leave that to Mros.

It is fair to judge them if they have the truth before them and reject it.

But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be much worse to be born in Saudi Arabia

As in highly likely that the man born in Arabia never accepts the Gospel compared to the Vatican

It is still fair

I assume God would make an exception for this?

It depends, do they know about Christianity? If so then yes it's fiar.

Eh, well

This is why the followers of Christ are called to preach the word unto all nations

What if they never truly explore Christianity because they have been raised to reject it in favor of another religion?

wouldn't it also depend on their level of knowledge?