Message from @Thought Police

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2017-07-03 22:59:06 UTC  

this has shown to be able to change

2017-07-03 22:59:26 UTC  

and each change has bought more social liberty

2017-07-03 22:59:34 UTC  

and as marx argued it is always according to class interests, which he also argues will end in a class-less world

2017-07-03 23:00:01 UTC  

but if capitalism makes most people content, how will there be an interest to change?

2017-07-03 23:00:32 UTC  

it won't

2017-07-03 23:00:38 UTC  

Change is present outside of interest.

2017-07-03 23:00:46 UTC  

but it also currently doesn't make most people content if you look outside the first world

2017-07-03 23:01:03 UTC  

and marx argues that capitalism will degrade over time

2017-07-03 23:01:26 UTC  

The idea is to let Capitalism give people a kick in the teeth

2017-07-03 23:01:40 UTC  

When I say content I don't mean happy, I mean too comfy for a revolution

2017-07-03 23:01:49 UTC  

Which is what hopefully will happen when automation develops to an even further extent, at which point a lot of people would have their careers at risk

2017-07-03 23:01:54 UTC  

well my point still stands I think

2017-07-03 23:02:07 UTC  

>degrade over time
Will that happen though?

2017-07-03 23:02:28 UTC  

@Deleted User I haven't read any marx about this, but it's called the fall of profits

2017-07-03 23:02:32 UTC  

The only thing realistically I can see is automation

2017-07-03 23:02:55 UTC  

@Deleted User you speak as if capitalism wouldn't have any crisis every 20 years.

2017-07-03 23:02:56 UTC  

automation is also one thing that will lower the chances of capitalism

2017-07-03 23:03:20 UTC  

A significant financial crash at the point where automation is also prevailent will tip the balance, I believe

2017-07-03 23:03:28 UTC  

But even if socialism never existed as a theory, automation would force people to think about it
So i believe we'll hit a socialist/communist type of civilization once automation gets everywhere

2017-07-03 23:04:09 UTC  

@Deleted User once it gets everywhere, it wil be neccesary, but a more interesting question in my opinion is whether only a good about of automation also will do this

2017-07-03 23:04:19 UTC  

The thing is the ruling class will do whatever they can to stop the onslought of automation, because they know this too

2017-07-03 23:04:25 UTC  

@Firefly It has crisis but it's far from purges and breadlines nowadays

2017-07-03 23:04:28 UTC  

You'll see more of things like UBI in the near future

2017-07-03 23:04:33 UTC  

And automation tax

2017-07-03 23:04:50 UTC  

automation tax? I highly doubt it

2017-07-03 23:04:55 UTC  

Perhaps even legislation

2017-07-03 23:05:03 UTC  

@Deleted User did you experience capitalist crisis?

2017-07-03 23:05:08 UTC  

Yeah

2017-07-03 23:05:22 UTC  

I've missed it

2017-07-03 23:05:54 UTC  

Biggest threat ever = once automation hits, the elites won't let it go, they'll create armies and everything, they won't need the consent of the people

2017-07-03 23:06:14 UTC  

If that happens there's no going back

2017-07-03 23:06:20 UTC  

Elites will rule forever

2017-07-03 23:06:28 UTC  

@Deleted User the idea that the elite would rather purge than let go sure is scary

2017-07-03 23:06:30 UTC  

@Deleted User where did you experience crisis?

2017-07-03 23:06:40 UTC  

Greece

2017-07-03 23:06:57 UTC  

>tfw your nation's proletariat is disarmed

2017-07-03 23:06:58 UTC  

why live

2017-07-03 23:07:03 UTC  

what's the employment rate there?

2017-07-03 23:07:27 UTC  

>being a lefist
>being anti-gun
Sounds like an oxymoron
How do you revolt if you're anti gun

2017-07-03 23:07:27 UTC  

is it still really low?

2017-07-03 23:07:32 UTC  

it's low