can't balance the budget without damage to society

The problem is their fault though

Excessive spending like idiots. Ireland did the same

pretty sure the gov as an incentive to collect taxes

maybe not from all classes, but still

well either you go through a bit of bad times to fix yourself or you destroy yourself because you cant do a hard thing

greece shows that the politicians couldnt go through with a bit of bad to do good

can't make drastic change to welfare in a democratic state though

I read a lot about each european crisis but i cant remember too well atm

without civil war

that's fine

Democracy is shit

then civil war is the smaller price to pay

government is generally shit but it is necessary

democracy is the best way of containing government

democracy isnt shit its shit when you let everyone have a vote

Democracy is most representative of the people and is therefore the most stable form of government

aristocracy is a good idea

the people aren't stable @Tengri#2673

the masses are easily tampered with

I like Lee Kuan Yew's idea where people aged 40-65 with children should have 2 votes

Until the people get pissed and your country is torn apart in civil war

the plebs will vote themselves money nothing stable with that

Democracy has the least civil war

kind of an odd idea, might work

Roman republic had civil war constantly

The ballot paralyzes revolution

between the senators

rhodesian voting laws were pretty good if you look at them

Roman Republic wasn't democratic

I know, but there were representatives from the lower class

It was extremely corrupt

Democracies allow people to feel like they're voting someone new in without realizing that person is owned by the same groups

It still worked

No it didn't

I guess it is a stable way though

just reduce government power and it will handle itself

Do you know how it died

Pissed off plebs who supported Caesar over the senators

Democracies today are extremely corrupt too

it died because stoics are fags