Message from @MrSally

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2017-07-18 08:01:29 UTC  

<:porky:315615014751043588> did someone say drug addict?

2017-07-18 08:02:15 UTC  

*why progress guys, progress has it's limits*

2017-07-18 08:05:34 UTC  

Progress does have a limit though. The idea that we are limitless is another religious thing.

2017-07-18 08:05:56 UTC  

But as long as progress can be made, I embrace it.

2017-07-18 08:06:33 UTC  

It's almost like we're

2017-07-18 08:06:39 UTC  

wait, let me think of a word

2017-07-18 08:06:43 UTC  

progress.... hmmmmmm

2017-07-18 08:06:47 UTC  

progressives!

2017-07-18 08:06:59 UTC  

I am a rather progressive person, yes sir.

2017-07-18 08:08:51 UTC  

I would love for America to form a progressive coalition centered around a few core populistic left wing policies out of its wide array of leftist parties that can't agree on everything, but do agree on a few very important things.

2017-07-18 08:09:19 UTC  

I also wish the Wobblies would come back.

2017-07-18 08:10:14 UTC  

And the De Leonists.

2017-07-18 08:19:54 UTC  

Progress is not necessarily by our own hand, if the subject of progress changes. Everything changes. And by our hand or others, the forces that move the universe from simpler things to more complicated things will always transform and develop.

2017-07-18 08:20:12 UTC  

I feel like your egoism is poisoning your objectivity.

2017-07-18 08:24:32 UTC  

Really? I think it's pretty rational egoism.

2017-07-18 08:25:16 UTC  

Would it be fair to assert then that what needs to be a foundation then for progressive policies is that which may move slower then other traditional issues? If the world makes exponential progress in tech that changes our relationship with the world then being 'progressive' on one issue one day will make it irrelevant the next.

2017-07-18 08:25:55 UTC  

I don't think so, I think we'll be able to keep up with it. We have been so far.

2017-07-18 08:25:58 UTC  

@AaronMk Yes! This was and still is hard for me to accept.

2017-07-18 08:26:17 UTC  

Egoism is never rational.

2017-07-18 08:26:28 UTC  

Not in the materialist sense.

2017-07-18 08:26:43 UTC  

Nothing wrong with being a little Chernyshevskian.

2017-07-18 08:27:22 UTC  

Rational egoism is literally exactly materialistic and socialistic.

2017-07-18 08:27:57 UTC  

Ego implies that the individual is primary.

2017-07-18 08:28:05 UTC  

Why is the ego necessary?

2017-07-18 08:28:17 UTC  

Do you enjoy being yourself?

2017-07-18 08:28:45 UTC  

@MrSally Yesterday - historically speaking as a metaphor - surveillance wasn't so much an issue since it was so resource heavy and complicated. You could move politics on it faster than it could move. But now the expanding limits on technology means it can keep or outpace technology, making the NSA more and more out of proportion with the Democratic powers supposedly controlling it.

2017-07-18 08:29:04 UTC  

I get that the subjective is a reflection of the material, and we are limited to our abilities as humans, but still I know that there is a better world just outside my reach, and my ego betrays me at every turn.

2017-07-18 08:29:23 UTC  

I don't think that's true.

2017-07-18 08:30:05 UTC  

The technical growth in manufacture is also limiting the input of man in manufacture, so a firm could simply pay a little more if the workers go back to sleep and still keep their profit.

2017-07-18 08:30:27 UTC  

If time is linear and moving forward, it behests us all to prepare and have strong theories about where we are headed. This implies and temporal restraint on what the ego tells us as true.

2017-07-18 08:30:38 UTC  

@AaronMk I'm not sure I understand your phrasing here.

2017-07-18 08:31:06 UTC  

@MrSally I'm on a phone so it's difficult.

2017-07-18 08:31:15 UTC  

That's alright.

2017-07-18 08:31:30 UTC  

I just have to read it a couple of times.

2017-07-18 08:31:49 UTC  

I'm technically on break at work so I can't get too invested either.

2017-07-18 08:32:03 UTC  

Mmmm

2017-07-18 08:33:15 UTC  

Also, don't forget the ego is not the entire subconscious. There is id and super-ego.

2017-07-18 08:34:55 UTC  

I do want to add that in relevance to this discussion talk of a UBI may cut off any honest revolutionary potential if the regular people get what many would consider peak Socialism: money for simply existing. Did if Zucker gets into the White House on this promise - as I heard it theorized - how do you out progressive something that'd be peak progressivism for this generation.

2017-07-18 08:35:15 UTC  

And now to go finish up the night.

2017-07-18 08:35:21 UTC  

Mmk, see ya.

2017-07-18 08:36:27 UTC  

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