You r gey

Fuck utopia.

Have to slave my wage guys tomorrow. Goodnight.

nighty

Nighty night

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But I would think that would be the entire end point of a species, when they reach that point and never have to do anything ever again because "improvement" could never actually come.

"Always room for improvement" is technically not true. Everything has a limit.

I'd think the only improvements would be cosmetic, to better appeal to the sensibilities because aesthetic value will have taken a much higher position on peoples' minds.

and so our supercomputer world would change appearance every decade as styles that originate in human minds change.

sleep tight comrade

>everything has a limit
>there must be an end point
Those are the words of drug addict

<:porky:315615014751043588> did someone say drug addict?

*why progress guys, progress has it's limits*

Progress does have a limit though. The idea that we are limitless is another religious thing.

But as long as progress can be made, I embrace it.

It's almost like we're

wait, let me think of a word

progress.... hmmmmmm

progressives!

I am a rather progressive person, yes sir.

I would love for America to form a progressive coalition centered around a few core populistic left wing policies out of its wide array of leftist parties that can't agree on everything, but do agree on a few very important things.

I also wish the Wobblies would come back.

And the De Leonists.

Progress is not necessarily by our own hand, if the subject of progress changes. Everything changes. And by our hand or others, the forces that move the universe from simpler things to more complicated things will always transform and develop.

I feel like your egoism is poisoning your objectivity.

Really? I think it's pretty rational egoism.

Would it be fair to assert then that what needs to be a foundation then for progressive policies is that which may move slower then other traditional issues? If the world makes exponential progress in tech that changes our relationship with the world then being 'progressive' on one issue one day will make it irrelevant the next.

I don't think so, I think we'll be able to keep up with it. We have been so far.

@AaronMk Yes! This was and still is hard for me to accept.

Egoism is never rational.

Not in the materialist sense.

Nothing wrong with being a little Chernyshevskian.

Rational egoism is literally exactly materialistic and socialistic.

Ego implies that the individual is primary.

Why is the ego necessary?

Do you enjoy being yourself?

@MrSally Yesterday - historically speaking as a metaphor - surveillance wasn't so much an issue since it was so resource heavy and complicated. You could move politics on it faster than it could move. But now the expanding limits on technology means it can keep or outpace technology, making the NSA more and more out of proportion with the Democratic powers supposedly controlling it.

I get that the subjective is a reflection of the material, and we are limited to our abilities as humans, but still I know that there is a better world just outside my reach, and my ego betrays me at every turn.

I don't think that's true.

The technical growth in manufacture is also limiting the input of man in manufacture, so a firm could simply pay a little more if the workers go back to sleep and still keep their profit.