Message from @National Trotskyist

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2017-07-30 00:21:23 UTC  

That's the goal.

2017-07-30 00:21:37 UTC  

How can it be scientific if it makes no falsifiable assertions?

2017-07-30 00:22:36 UTC  

Historical materialism and dialectical materialism are both falsifiable.

2017-07-30 00:23:14 UTC  

We can start with materialism first, if you want.

2017-07-30 00:23:22 UTC  

More broadly.

2017-07-30 00:23:55 UTC  

Then hone in onto the falsifiable of Marx's theory on society and the material world.

2017-07-30 00:24:00 UTC  

Where do you want to start?

2017-07-30 00:24:34 UTC  

What do you think falsifiable actually means?

2017-07-30 00:24:45 UTC  

Give me an example of a falsifiable hypothesis

2017-07-30 00:24:55 UTC  

and explain why it's falsifiable

2017-07-30 00:25:32 UTC  

Every scientific theory must be falsifiable, which means, able to be disproved.

2017-07-30 00:25:55 UTC  

Again, when you say explain why **it's** falsifiable, which theory do you mean?

2017-07-30 00:26:08 UTC  

Marxism is not a single theory.

2017-07-30 00:26:31 UTC  

I just mean generally, give me a hypothetical hypothesis that illustrates falsifiability

2017-07-30 00:26:36 UTC  

just so I know you understand the concept

2017-07-30 00:27:18 UTC  

Sure. Evolution for example could be falsified if it was found that mutations did not occur. It would disprove natural selection.

2017-07-30 00:27:43 UTC  

Ok, so you've failed in two spectacular ways

2017-07-30 00:27:46 UTC  

@Deleted User historical materialism is explained by dialectical materialism. So it is a single theory.

2017-07-30 00:28:05 UTC  

One is that lack of evidence is never what falsifies a statement

2017-07-30 00:28:27 UTC  

@Firefly#9983 They are interrelated, but it is hard to explain it to a complete newbie.

2017-07-30 00:28:31 UTC  

@Deleted User Yeah, apparently Holocaust revisioning started amongst the left-wing French circles is what I was told on the main leftypol discord.

2017-07-30 00:28:39 UTC  

Might be related to huge anti-zionism and etc.

2017-07-30 00:29:17 UTC  

@National Trotskyist you know what else I find hilarious is that ethnonationalism was one of the primary platforms of the Soviet system

2017-07-30 00:29:52 UTC  

@Mimic King#0692 I never said that a lack of evidence was the same as being disprovable, at all. Falsifiable means that a discovery can be made that makes a hypothesis untenable, like my example shows clearly.

2017-07-30 00:30:01 UTC  

I find it hilarious because both holocaust revisionism and ethnonationalism are considered FASCIST NAZISM by the nu-left but are really classically leftist positions

2017-07-30 00:30:17 UTC  

@Deleted User one is based on another. It is a specific relation. It is just different areas. Logic is more abstract theory. But is united with less.

2017-07-30 00:30:38 UTC  

but you're wrong @Deleted User

2017-07-30 00:30:52 UTC  

a lack of evidence is never what shows that a hypothesis is untenable

2017-07-30 00:30:53 UTC  

@Firefly#9983 Okay, thanks for the correction. Maybe I should just focus on materialism first.

2017-07-30 00:30:57 UTC  

I don't see that in his post as all.

2017-07-30 00:31:16 UTC  

What he said hasn't got anything to do with a lack of evidence 😒

2017-07-30 00:31:35 UTC  

@Mimic King#0692
>a lack of evidence is never what shows that a hypothesis is untenable
I agree with you! How am I not clear?

2017-07-30 00:31:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/341014981015502848/1492339560204.png

2017-07-30 00:31:53 UTC  

for a hypothesis to be falsifiable, there must be a condition whereby evidence to support the claim CAN be discovered

2017-07-30 00:32:40 UTC  

So saying that "lack of fossils" would falsify evolution and natural selection is completely nonsensical

2017-07-30 00:32:50 UTC  

"Falsifiable means that a discovery can be made that makes a hypothesis untenable"
That's what I said numbnuts.

2017-07-30 00:33:25 UTC  

Right, meaning, contravening evidence, not a LACK of evidence

2017-07-30 00:33:34 UTC  

EXACTLY

2017-07-30 00:33:34 UTC  

a lack of evidence just means the hypothesis is unproven

2017-07-30 00:33:43 UTC  

🤔

2017-07-30 00:33:44 UTC  

it doesn't mean the hypothesis is unfalsifiable