Hope, happiness.

literally doesn't matter

both sides strive for idealism

pick one over the other

Freedom to faith and patriotism is a positive freedom.

While freedom to fuck a cow is a negative freedom.

who made up these definitions?

It is simple; postive freedoms are those of quality and of real importance. Negatives are not. They are primal.

it isn't necessary at all

it's self explanatory

Sorry, do I have to say every single time their definations?

what?

you should

I mean

it isn't his job to educate himself

I don't understand how this got into a discussion of positive and negative freedoms

silly to define such things

if you make a claim, you support it, if it needs definition, one should define it. it's not the task of your opponent to do this.

it is entirely subjective

It doesn't mean bad or good.

value is objective

Okay, come on buddy. Let us talk.

shouldn't have negative or positive on it then

Starting with negative freedoms; it is the freedoms which libertarians/anarchists generally want when they aren't on the left.

It is a freedom to do what you want to do if you have the ability.

I already know this

For example, wanna fuck a dog?

Got the ability to hold it down and not get caught?

Go at it chum.

economic freedom isn't negative freedom

Whilst positive freedoms are different in their nature; they are a freedom to purpose.

Most all of freedom to thought fall under this.

It is.

The market is a perfect example of negative freedoms at kwor.

*work

Why do you disagree with self determination and individualism?

you cannot control every aspect of somebody

sure, some people may find postive freedom in the market. But this is the overwhelming majority that don't.

Did I say that?

I already know your views

you want authoritarianism in most areas of life