Message from @olev
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What do you do with it?
What vouchers for what?
you get to have as many sneakers as you want
I do not think you produce, things are just produced.
Well if you make a chair
Its your chair now
I disagree.
Seems like something that ends after you have about 5 chairs
And thats why you then turn them in to the federation or the collective and take your vouchers so you can buy other things
How many chair vouchers for a car?
Idk man, if you produce the value equivolent to a car but in chairs
So you'd have to make your own chair?
if you make chairs i guess
A chair is made. Now there is a chair. That is the end of it. But a chair is also firewood. It can be lots of things. Ownership is a tyranny over utility of objects.
I think if I produce a chair I should be able to keep it since it is a result of my labor
What I want to know from socialists is how they plan on having innovation, who gets to be the inventors?
Oh boy.
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Im not sure what that question means
If you're provided with chairs, which you presumably would
How do new products get made
If someone has a good idea then theyll put it forward
Who invents the iphone?
Who decides what is a good idea?
It implies that without private ownership, co-operation is impossible. Which is false.
The same people that decide whether something is a good idea in a market..
People
Yes but if everything is shared there are only some who gets to make a product right?
Theres no intellectual property so anyone can make whatever they want
What if someone's a terrible inventor, does he starve?
Youre still maintaning a capitalist lens through the way you are viewing socialism
just asking questions
If a collective workplace needs some innovation, they will do everything they can to make it happen
Its pretty unlikely that people would have 1 role in their workplace
I don't know, many people can only fulfill one role
Everyone has an equal say in their workplace, and nobody lives as an inventor or investor or things like that because we abolish capital accumulation and (probably) traditional markets
when the world revolution succeds, will the world be divided by the forms of socialism?
Smash the workplace!
But what if I have an idea for a new product but the people in the workplace always shoot it down?
before it gets made
@IVAN CHESNOKOV Possibly
That's how it's been before