but because i'm a commie they should be collectively owned

Because when you produce something you either keep it or are paid vouchers equivolent to the value produced

so money?

No

They do not circulate and are non accumulative

Keep it?

What do you do with it?

What vouchers for what?

you get to have as many sneakers as you want

I do not think you produce, things are just produced.

Well if you make a chair



Its your chair now

I disagree.

Seems like something that ends after you have about 5 chairs

And thats why you then turn them in to the federation or the collective and take your vouchers so you can buy other things

How many chair vouchers for a car?

Idk man, if you produce the value equivolent to a car but in chairs

So you'd have to make your own chair?

if you make chairs i guess

A chair is made. Now there is a chair. That is the end of it. But a chair is also firewood. It can be lots of things. Ownership is a tyranny over utility of objects.

I think if I produce a chair I should be able to keep it since it is a result of my labor

What I want to know from socialists is how they plan on having innovation, who gets to be the inventors?

Oh boy.

🤔

Im not sure what that question means

If you're provided with chairs, which you presumably would

How do new products get made

What is the point of making your own chair

If someone has a good idea then theyll put it forward

Who invents the iphone?

Who decides what is a good idea?

It implies that without private ownership, co-operation is impossible. Which is false.

The same people that decide whether something is a good idea in a market..

People

Yes but if everything is shared there are only some who gets to make a product right?

Theres no intellectual property so anyone can make whatever they want

What if someone's a terrible inventor, does he starve?

Youre still maintaning a capitalist lens through the way you are viewing socialism

just asking questions

If a collective workplace needs some innovation, they will do everything they can to make it happen

Its pretty unlikely that people would have 1 role in their workplace

I don't know, many people can only fulfill one role