Message from @olev

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2017-09-04 11:08:20 UTC  

How do new products get made

2017-09-04 11:08:22 UTC  

What is the point of making your own chair

2017-09-04 11:08:22 UTC  

If someone has a good idea then theyll put it forward

2017-09-04 11:08:24 UTC  

Who invents the iphone?

2017-09-04 11:08:36 UTC  

Who decides what is a good idea?

2017-09-04 11:08:54 UTC  

It implies that without private ownership, co-operation is impossible. Which is false.

2017-09-04 11:09:00 UTC  

The same people that decide whether something is a good idea in a market..

People

2017-09-04 11:09:28 UTC  

Yes but if everything is shared there are only some who gets to make a product right?

2017-09-04 11:09:43 UTC  

Theres no intellectual property so anyone can make whatever they want

2017-09-04 11:10:40 UTC  

What if someone's a terrible inventor, does he starve?

2017-09-04 11:11:15 UTC  

Youre still maintaning a capitalist lens through the way you are viewing socialism

2017-09-04 11:11:31 UTC  

just asking questions

2017-09-04 11:11:44 UTC  

If a collective workplace needs some innovation, they will do everything they can to make it happen

2017-09-04 11:12:14 UTC  

Its pretty unlikely that people would have 1 role in their workplace

2017-09-04 11:12:39 UTC  

I don't know, many people can only fulfill one role

2017-09-04 11:14:24 UTC  

Everyone has an equal say in their workplace, and nobody lives as an inventor or investor or things like that because we abolish capital accumulation and (probably) traditional markets

2017-09-04 11:14:38 UTC  

when the world revolution succeds, will the world be divided by the forms of socialism?

2017-09-04 11:14:43 UTC  

Smash the workplace!

2017-09-04 11:14:54 UTC  

But what if I have an idea for a new product but the people in the workplace always shoot it down?

2017-09-04 11:14:57 UTC  

before it gets made

2017-09-04 11:15:02 UTC  
2017-09-04 11:15:08 UTC  

That's how it's been before

2017-09-04 11:15:18 UTC  

Well that same thing happens now except with the market @Timo)))

2017-09-04 11:15:26 UTC  

So far what has worked best is the anarchist method

2017-09-04 11:15:27 UTC  

If people dont want things they wont make it

2017-09-04 11:15:43 UTC  

Well now you can go to a capitalist who will finance your product, is that still a thing in socialism?

2017-09-04 11:15:43 UTC  

for example: titoism in the balkans, maosim in mainland china, etcetc

2017-09-04 11:16:13 UTC  

Socialism removes the capitalist class.

2017-09-04 11:16:38 UTC  

So I'm fucked then if I'm in a workplace of people who don't want to listen to my ideas?

2017-09-04 11:16:51 UTC  

Youre fucked now if your boss doesnt listen to your ideas

2017-09-04 11:17:04 UTC  

Not really, venture capitalism is a thing

2017-09-04 11:17:17 UTC  

We dont think worker ownership is the perfect model, we view it to be better than the current state

2017-09-04 11:17:28 UTC  

Being able to work and save money and then go for my product I can do now

2017-09-04 11:17:43 UTC  

Can't do that with vouchers right?

2017-09-04 11:17:52 UTC  

Revolutionary Anarchism has no foreseeable end. Revisionist bourgeois tendencies threaten continuously.

2017-09-04 11:18:20 UTC  

Vouchers shouldnt even really be compared to money since they exist only to ration resources and distribute value according to value that was already produced.

2017-09-04 11:18:28 UTC  

They are destroyed upon purchase

2017-09-04 11:18:52 UTC  

right, so then I can never make my new product without convincing the people in my workplace?

2017-09-04 11:19:19 UTC  

Can you give me a scenario?

2017-09-04 11:19:30 UTC  

I need to visualize this

2017-09-04 11:19:37 UTC  

sure give me a sec