If this is a dream, what difference does it make? Also, I think we **are** coded to react a certain way. But again, this is where we find ourselves. There is no other way to proceed. We have to just make sense how we are able.

what difference does it make when you're essentially nothing at all? to proceed, to where? will you be able to break the fourth wall?

Exactly. There is no where else to go. Welcome. Now your first step is constructing meaning somehow.

This is existentialism 101.

haha, but i am already here

Yes, eixstence before essence.

This is the dreaded problem. You see yourself in the mirror for the first time, as it were. Now you are conscious of something you never were before. What is the meaning of this?

i mean, i still don't understand your take on "finding a meaning behind finding a meaning", like what is the point of finding a meaning of anything at all? true, i have thought about it and realized i better make lemonade of the lemons life is giving us, like this is where i find myself no matter what and i must make something of it, but then, what is the point of making a meaning? this is a void that's impossible to resolve

Maybe I am not like you. To me this was a crushing realisation. I mean, to truly internalise it. Nothing is exceptional.

It is driven by the rational mind, training to pursue things to its logical ends.

Objectively, a rock and a princess have equal value.

No

from a scientific point of view

if we turn a Princess into energy, we can extract more than a rock

brb

@Vic Chong Measuring relative energy is a kind of meaning which you constructed. But objectively, a thing is not more or less meaningful according to its 'energy' or anything else.

Oh shoot

we have a philoshiper here

err....

nvm

go back to doing whatever philoshiphers do......

But I mean, Ghazali circumvents this whole problem with stating that God is immanent and therefore every event is close to having Absolute meaning. It is the opposite of nihilism, and a real shock to my sensibilities. It was only a few days ago which I realised that only an Absolute meaning can safe a pure rational, material outlook. Now this is a huge conceptual boost.

my rational mind tells me to question everything, even myself and the reality that it's been put on, that's where we are different

but don't get me wrong, i am fully functional and this doesn't drag me down in any way

ayo we wuz nazbol an sheeeeit

i have a job and mostly a happy life

which takes me back on my posting regarding nihilism, what do you think of this @Deleted User

I'm not sure your point.

Nihilism is neutralising, but it still neutralises and causes a loss of preconceptions you have.

It is an interesting characterisation 'emotional weakness' to mourn to loss of physiological scaffolds. Every human being has an incomplete view and prone to loss of worldview. This process is not always healthy, but some brave souls attempt it anyway, under the impulse of reason.

Maybe this is a step to far, but if you have a drive to get to the bottom, or the 'final stop' as you say, then this is the consequence. Sure, some people may be prone to pessimism, some optimism, but the process itself leads to neither, but are a preference and a reflection of secondary personal traits.

no, it's not the same as being an atheist and saying "there is no god, full stop." it is only the skepticism it gives to you, the insight of knowing whatever meaning you can reach might be pointless too, but it still doesn't stop you from looking for a meaning

i mean, this is not really what's in that text, yeah, i can see why you have reached that

Have I misunderstood something?

There is difference between 'might be meaningless' and 'meaning is objectively null, we must construct our own'.

no, what i am saying is the text was only about the pessimism/optimism side of the spectrum

and we are talking about something else now

Okay.

I think reading Max Stirner pushed me into the latter.

"'meaning is objectively null, we must construct our own" is what absurdism stands for