How could the devil have been in heaven

A preacher will tell you that it's pretty obvious that the serpent was the devil

You'd find that a lot of what is taught by Christian theologians is based upon assumptions and inferences made about the text, rather than litteral translation

Doesn't that increase inacurracy though?

That's a big issue, yes

It's one of the reasons why I do not believe in the Bible

Well

I agree with your standpoint in sticking to morals

Most modern Christians do not take the old testament as fact

Too much of it contradicts known science and history, and there's just too many contradictions

https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html

The new testament is less inconsistent, and better follows the beliefs of modern Christianity

There's some stuff that breaks science, like Jesus turning water into wine, but it's easier to accept that Jesus can defy the laws of creation from time to time than it is to accept the Creationist belief of how the universe was created based upon the litteral interpretation of genesis

When modern science is far more consistent than the old testament

That's a lot of contradictions. You know if the bible was never changed from how it was originally revealed, there would have been no need for the Quran, by Muslim beliefs at least

I believe his ability to turn water into wine was *supposed* to contradict science, to prove him

Along with his other abilities

Yeah, as I said

If Jesus was God on Earth, or even a prophet who acted on behalf of God, of course he'd be able to violate natural law to prove his divine nature

I know a creationist who believes the Earth was formed 5000 years ago. But he also has a masters degree in environmental sciences and he's seen trees that are 6000 years old. I have no comment to that

Yeah

top kek

It sounds like you were going to add a "but"

A "but" to what?

Jesus:
"I'm gonna prove my divinity by doing impossible stuff"
*does impossible stuff*

I don't believe Jesus and the miracles, but it isn't remotely absurd for someone who does believe in Jesus's divinity to believe that he did those things

Oh, I get it

It's like believing in Zeus, and then believing that Zeus did actually kill people with lightning

Yeahhh

Hahaha

If you believe in the strange, it's not surprising that the strange would do something strange

Exactly

Yeahh I get that

I do like New Testament Christian values, even if I don't believe Jesus was actually some divine being or profit

What do you believe he was

Some spiritual leader amongst the Jews in the Roman province of Palestine. Some dude who taught good morals, and lived an acetic lifestyle

But got crucified because the Romans didn't like the Jews flocking around this guy

Hmm

Your beliefs tend to parallel Abrahamic beliefs more or less, but you're not really Christian, Muslim or Jewish

I'm somewhere between atheistic and agnostic