Message from @ClibtardMario

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2017-07-09 23:13:43 UTC  

you're not able to live a good life without working for a company, you have no ability to meaningfully negotiate wages

2017-07-09 23:13:50 UTC  

coerced because it is simply better

2017-07-09 23:14:00 UTC  

you're always at fear of being fired, etc. etc.

2017-07-09 23:14:06 UTC  

You do if you have the skills

2017-07-09 23:14:08 UTC  

@Deleted User That's not true at all

2017-07-09 23:14:28 UTC  

Unemployment is at 4,5%, job creation is hitting new highs, wage growth is boosting

2017-07-09 23:14:31 UTC  

Who would fire a good employee?

2017-07-09 23:14:42 UTC  

You're always in risk of losing them to another company if anything

2017-07-09 23:14:50 UTC  

unemployment % does not count people who have dropped out of the workforce

2017-07-09 23:14:56 UTC  

It does

2017-07-09 23:15:01 UTC  

no it does not

2017-07-09 23:15:17 UTC  

There is payroll employment change in either way, so your argument is null

2017-07-09 23:15:20 UTC  

that's literally how unemployment % is calculated and has always been

2017-07-09 23:15:47 UTC  

that also does not include underemployment, wage growth not actually growing (it hasn't for the last, what? 40-50 years?)

2017-07-09 23:15:55 UTC  

@Deleted User There is the U-6 which counts anyone who is unemployed, those seeking and not seeking job.

2017-07-09 23:16:12 UTC  

It is at 8%, which is fairly low for the broad scope of the measure

2017-07-09 23:17:07 UTC  

wages have not grown with either inflation or with productivity

2017-07-09 23:17:19 UTC  

because the ability to negotiate wages lies solely in the hands of the employer

2017-07-09 23:17:21 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/333748494638645249/united-states-wage-growth.png

2017-07-09 23:17:31 UTC  

as an individual worker, you have no actual power

2017-07-09 23:17:40 UTC  

Wage Growth in the United States averaged 6.26 percent from 1960 until 2017

2017-07-09 23:19:31 UTC  

You can literally get more power by becoming a better worker

2017-07-09 23:19:42 UTC  

fuck work

2017-07-09 23:19:46 UTC  

Some people won't do well, that's a given

2017-07-09 23:20:04 UTC  

yeah, you want to know something?

2017-07-09 23:20:12 UTC  

But in trying to make their work guaranteed you lower productivity, increase cost

2017-07-09 23:20:14 UTC  

there was more social mobility in the fucking medieval ages than today

2017-07-09 23:20:20 UTC  

want to get more power as a worker?

2017-07-09 23:20:21 UTC  

you don't

2017-07-09 23:20:26 UTC  

want to get richer? you won't

2017-07-09 23:20:32 UTC  

How was the mobility in the socialist countries?

2017-07-09 23:20:32 UTC  

as a whole, it's impossible

2017-07-09 23:20:44 UTC  

there wasn't mobility because that wasn't the god damn fucking point

2017-07-09 23:20:51 UTC  

What system do you propose that is better than capitalism in terms of mobility

2017-07-09 23:20:54 UTC  

it was to get rid of classes, you incipient moron

2017-07-09 23:21:00 UTC  

So no one moves up?\

2017-07-09 23:21:05 UTC  

every other system, basically

2017-07-09 23:21:08 UTC  

Do you understand humans at all?

2017-07-09 23:21:10 UTC  

capitalism has very little mobility

2017-07-09 23:21:19 UTC  

what the fuck is up?

2017-07-09 23:21:22 UTC  

more so than in any alternative