Message from Deleted User in /leftypol/ International #english


2018-02-01 17:22:30 UTC  

@Builderelf You thought wrong.

2018-02-01 17:23:10 UTC  

Corpratism was more of a mousillini and pelley thing.

2018-02-01 18:11:43 UTC  

Any IWW member in here?

2018-02-01 18:12:04 UTC  

@stratagast Hi Doom.

2018-02-01 20:38:20 UTC  

@Krieg#0336

2018-02-01 20:38:22 UTC  

What is your reading list of Strasserism?

2018-02-01 22:32:37 UTC  

@Builderelf corporatism by definition is the organization of society based on collectives ie like in italy businesses of the same industry would be merged into one. They called it fascist syndicalism.

2018-02-01 22:33:22 UTC  

@Тхе Западни Србин#1770 https://revolutionarynationalsocialism.wordpress.com/

2018-02-01 22:37:15 UTC  

@Krieg#0336 But I thought the key thing of syndicalism was that it was owned by the workers, not the government?

2018-02-02 01:08:11 UTC  

Yeah, I’m in the IWW. I’m new though, just joined last month @stratagast

2018-02-02 01:15:53 UTC  

Also @Deleted User @kriegsmariner VA lemme do a bit of research here, I’ll try and find the people that said Germany was corporatist, and look at some of their sources. I’ll be back

2018-02-02 01:16:55 UTC  

@Builderelf Sources?

2018-02-02 01:17:03 UTC  

Germany? Corporatist?

2018-02-02 01:18:07 UTC  

lulz yeah germany was basically a racist social democracy

2018-02-02 01:20:04 UTC  

mussolini was a staunch sorelianist

2018-02-02 01:44:47 UTC  

I disagree with that.

2018-02-02 01:46:00 UTC  

>mixed economy

2018-02-02 01:46:04 UTC  

>welfare state

2018-02-02 01:46:11 UTC  

>wages

2018-02-02 01:58:11 UTC  

>Welfare state
What do you mean by that?
>Mixed economy
If by mixed, you mean both government and owned properties with a common goal, then sure.
>Wages
What relevance does this have?

2018-02-02 02:00:12 UTC  

@Builderelf I think that when people mention fascism, they usually get the idea of italy, and how it had some corpratism, but they forget, that italian fascism, national socialism, legionaireism, falange, and more, had many differences, with a common idea.

2018-02-02 02:00:50 UTC  

all of those except hitlerian NS yes

2018-02-02 02:01:05 UTC  

capitalism is to individual

2018-02-02 02:01:11 UTC  

communism to class

2018-02-02 02:01:15 UTC  

fascism to state

2018-02-02 02:01:19 UTC  

N"S" to race

2018-02-02 02:01:21 UTC  

Unless it is somewhere like vichy france where it was a german/italian occupied place, it would most likely have an independant system.

2018-02-02 02:02:11 UTC  

Okay, from what I see and what I'm researching right now, I could definetly see @Krieg#0336's arguement for Germany being a "racist social democracy". For instance:
-Taxation was high
-Government spending was through the roof
-Private business was allowed to operate
-Healthcare was a thing
-Keynes himself LIKED the Germany economy
-Pensions were even given out, apparently

However, I'm also seeing elements of totalitarianism in there. For instance, State-Run Trade Unions designed to squeeze out productivity in factories. Also, military spending took was as high as 32% of the budget-- that doesn't sound like a Social Democracy at all! Additionally, the reason that public projects such as job programs and industry protectionism seems to be mainly for the sake of increasing productivy of home industries, not for the sake of basic human rights, as it is in Nordic countries.

So in other words, I'd place Hitlerist economics as an Authoritarian-Right version of Social Democracy. Not quite corporatism, not quite social democracy, a strange kind of militaritic totalitarian welfare state.

2018-02-02 02:02:26 UTC  

@Krieg#0336 Fascism and national socialism do not believe in devolution of the class, which is something that communism and socialism want, but rather they want both the worker, and the owner, and the government cooperating for the benefit of the nation.

2018-02-02 02:03:08 UTC  

why yes, this is true. I know a fascist friend that claims that fascism calls for "Class Collaboration, not Class Warfare", so thats correct @Deleted User

2018-02-02 02:03:39 UTC  

well duh its easier to work together when one class isn't fucking the other

2018-02-02 02:03:43 UTC  

@Builderelf That is one of the biggest characteristics of national socialism, as well as the italian, romanian, spanish, and more, is that it cannot be mapped on a simple political scale that is determined by an alogorithm.

2018-02-02 02:03:45 UTC  

I would also agree that fascist economics has more diversity than people give it credit for.

2018-02-02 02:04:08 UTC  

fascism isn't an economic system more of a world view

2018-02-02 02:04:16 UTC  

or principles

2018-02-02 02:04:31 UTC  

Then again @Deleted User , thats because political compass tests are actually cancerous ways of viewing politics

2018-02-02 02:04:40 UTC  

closest thing to experiencing fascism in america would be like being in the military or a sports team

2018-02-02 02:05:06 UTC  

yeah, fascism has more roots in politics if anything. Probably why history classes don't cover it's economy very much and why fascist economics are so diverse.

2018-02-02 02:05:31 UTC  

i mean Mussolini called Stalin a fascist

2018-02-02 02:05:38 UTC  

@Builderelf Ah yes, according to MK, next leap, and a squires trial, a person needs to do what they are best at, and using that skill, they produce products and more, to benefit the state, or that is the very generalized and summarized version of it.

2018-02-02 02:05:45 UTC  

@Krieg#0336 Citation needed.