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their economies were syndicalist
de facto socialism
So you call it socialist, but in reality it is just yours by claim?
its not marxist socialism
but its socialism
every great nationalist movement has had some socialist ideals if not a very socialist economy
every great socialist state has been somewhat nationalistic if not atleast patriotic
To the fascist state comes first but had syndicalist economies
So you then admit that national socialism IS socialism? You have no good reason to believe that socialism means that workers own everything, and afterall, the people you have provided have worked against you, because some allowed private production methods, meaning that national socialism has every reason to call itself socialism.
To the socialist the likes of Stalin, Mao, Kim il sung etc class came first but had very strong patriotism and nationalism
That is true.
Hitlerism is more akin to social democracy and is the forebearer of the current nordic model
Nordic countries used to be mildly ethnocentric as well
So while its not you're waspy capitalism
Its still capitalism
So in other words, you cocede that it is.
@Krieg#0336 I've always thought that Nazi Germany was a corporatist economy where the Government had a lot of influence over capitalist monopolies, nowhere near a social democracy ala Nordic countries. Also, on Mousillini being a National Syndicalist, from what I heard he abandond Syndicalism quite quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
And for the record, I would personally accept Strasserism as a form of socialism, albeit a bastard child of socialism and fascism.
Corpratism was more of a mousillini and pelley thing.
Any IWW member in here?
What is your reading list of Strasserism?
@Builderelf corporatism by definition is the organization of society based on collectives ie like in italy businesses of the same industry would be merged into one. They called it fascist syndicalism.
@Тхе Западни Србин#1770 https://revolutionarynationalsocialism.wordpress.com/
@Krieg#0336 But I thought the key thing of syndicalism was that it was owned by the workers, not the government?
Yeah, I’m in the IWW. I’m new though, just joined last month @stratagast
lulz yeah germany was basically a racist social democracy
mussolini was a staunch sorelianist
I disagree with that.
What do you mean by that?
If by mixed, you mean both government and owned properties with a common goal, then sure.
What relevance does this have?
@Builderelf I think that when people mention fascism, they usually get the idea of italy, and how it had some corpratism, but they forget, that italian fascism, national socialism, legionaireism, falange, and more, had many differences, with a common idea.
all of those except hitlerian NS yes