@Krieg#0336 It's like the holocaust numbers now!

@Biermann#5625 hilarious and original meme

very original @Biermann#5625

@Krieg#0336 Population of Russia 120 million. 60 million killed. Population became 140 million. This is American mathematics mate.

I agree

even as an anarchist, I still think that the death toll under stalin is ridiculously exagerated

its more like 25 mil if you count from both famines AND from ww2, and even that is pretty exaggerated.

but population growth and population in general would've boomed under this period due to Stalins high amount of industrialization

for instance, before stalin life expectancy was around ~37 or so

it became like 60 something by the end of the reign

which meant that more children were being born (becaues medicine) and people were living longer

which counteracted some of the pop loss from ww2 and famines

but not nearly enough to facilitate +80 Million people in 20 years, thats just absurd

+40 Million at the absolute most is the most believable

Our estimate is 300k

death from Gulag + executions.

300k is a lot

Estimates I've seen is about 1-2 million, but thats just because the Soviet Union is pretty damn big place.

And is of a shameful legasy

besides, there a lot of kulaks to get rid of

honnestly, the kulaks deserved it, but I don't like the fact that Stalin sent anarchists to the gulags too

besides that act of Left Secretarianism, Stalin was a pretty cool noodle

There were not many anarchists. Anarchists were kept in regular prisons separately from everybody else. Conditions for them were better than conditions of soldiers on the WW2 front.

nonetheless, still sent to prisons.

and its kinda hard to justify prisons

(except for kulaks of course)

They almost killed Lenin. Made him sick and useless. Not bolsheviks started it.

this is a new one

never heard about this

But wasn't Lenin a-okay with the Anarchists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Kaplan

It was mainly Trotsky and Stalin that didn't like Anarchists

just gave it a bit of a read

it doesn't mention her being an anarchist here

but for the sake of arguement, lets say she is

it still wasn't Anarchism in general that attacked Lenin, or even a group, just one Radical

No, Lenin was against anarchism on the political level. But not against them being free as long as they do not fight against the Party. They did fight.

Obviously he didn’t AGREE with anarchism, I was just saying that Lenin could with with them while Trot and Stalin couldn’t

Also my computer just had a heart attack, I’m using my phone

And if she alone made Lenin sick and useless, then how did Lenin last four years after this, AND effectively lead the Soviet Union?

Party of Fanny been a group of a lot of different people. Syndicalists, agrarians, socialists. They leaned to the anarchism.