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2 to 60 million wtf
@Krieg#0336 It's like the holocaust numbers now!
@Biermann#5625 hilarious and original meme
very original @Biermann#5625
@Krieg#0336 Population of Russia 120 million. 60 million killed. Population became 140 million. This is American mathematics mate.
I agree
even as an anarchist, I still think that the death toll under stalin is ridiculously exagerated
its more like 25 mil if you count from both famines AND from ww2, and even that is pretty exaggerated.
but population growth and population in general would've boomed under this period due to Stalins high amount of industrialization
for instance, before stalin life expectancy was around ~37 or so
it became like 60 something by the end of the reign
which meant that more children were being born (becaues medicine) and people were living longer
which counteracted some of the pop loss from ww2 and famines
but not nearly enough to facilitate +80 Million people in 20 years, thats just absurd
+40 Million at the absolute most is the most believable
Our estimate is 300k
death from Gulag + executions.
300k is a lot
Estimates I've seen is about 1-2 million, but thats just because the Soviet Union is pretty damn big place.
besides, there a lot of kulaks to get rid of
honnestly, the kulaks deserved it, but I don't like the fact that Stalin sent anarchists to the gulags too
besides that act of Left Secretarianism, Stalin was a pretty cool noodle
There were not many anarchists. Anarchists were kept in regular prisons separately from everybody else. Conditions for them were better than conditions of soldiers on the WW2 front.
nonetheless, still sent to prisons.
and its kinda hard to justify prisons
(except for kulaks of course)
They almost killed Lenin. Made him sick and useless. Not bolsheviks started it.
this is a new one
never heard about this
But wasn't Lenin a-okay with the Anarchists?
It was mainly Trotsky and Stalin that didn't like Anarchists
just gave it a bit of a read
it doesn't mention her being an anarchist here
but for the sake of arguement, lets say she is
it still wasn't Anarchism in general that attacked Lenin, or even a group, just one Radical
No, Lenin was against anarchism on the political level. But not against them being free as long as they do not fight against the Party. They did fight.
Obviously he didn’t AGREE with anarchism, I was just saying that Lenin could with with them while Trot and Stalin couldn’t
Also my computer just had a heart attack, I’m using my phone