look at the terms' origins

"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state

but nation is not state

Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above

How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...

Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.

*my views

Thats not being a leftist

I think it has to do how the word nationalism is handled in my native language

Social democrats

Are liberals

leftist is a relative term

if you think social democracy isn't remotely left wing then you are marginally insane

Social democrats are actual peronists.

honestly seek help if you think that. You think an actual nazi would think that bernie sanders is a fucking rightist? Fuck off you idiot

Leftist is relative within systems only, and

The systems as a whoke

actually, I think left and right are stupid terms

Are known as liberal

He obviously said he wasnt american

call them what they are, but not that

how are anarchists and tankies in the same category

bloody stupid

Lsft and right refers to their positions in general on an axis

that doesn't exist

Not within a given political system relative to one another

And it does

Hence every test you've ever taken

Its just a means of organizing things

except if you use left and right only in the sense of economic freedom

Which you know they dont

if you think I'm not left wing, cool, but to many other people I would be seen as a left winger. You only see me as being right (I assume) because I do not believe as heavily in the 'left wing cause' as you do. Fine, but at least have the common sense to understand that your view of my views are subjective and are not worth arguing for that reason.

So its out of the question

You're left wing relative to your given political circumstance

So unless you live in North Korea

You're a liberal.

what's my political circumstance?

As liberal democracies are the primary method of organization on earth

And you have internet

So unless I'm living in dictatorial squalor I'm a liberal, cool

And speak english