Message from @rn

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2018-02-07 21:36:36 UTC  

And yes, it is "one" definition

2018-02-07 21:36:48 UTC  

but I understand the two of you

2018-02-07 21:36:49 UTC  

But I can find you how many just like it?

2018-02-07 21:37:06 UTC  

Point is being patriotic alone isnt what makes you a nationalist.

2018-02-07 21:37:17 UTC  

There is a reason synonyms include jingoism

2018-02-07 21:37:23 UTC  

And chauvinism

2018-02-07 21:37:24 UTC  

I find that patriotism is more state-connected

2018-02-07 21:37:31 UTC  

Its just a love for country

2018-02-07 21:37:33 UTC  

and thus I prefer nationalism

2018-02-07 21:37:52 UTC  

as the word of choice

2018-02-07 21:38:02 UTC  

Its JUST a love of country, nationalism is believing in the supremacy of that country, relative to others

2018-02-07 21:38:10 UTC  

Idc how we pollute terms

2018-02-07 21:38:34 UTC  

look at the terms' origins

2018-02-07 21:39:06 UTC  

"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state

2018-02-07 21:39:17 UTC  

but nation is not state

2018-02-07 21:39:45 UTC  

Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above

2018-02-07 21:40:09 UTC  

How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...

2018-02-07 21:40:36 UTC  

Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.

2018-02-07 21:41:06 UTC  

*my views

2018-02-07 21:41:53 UTC  

Thats not being a leftist

2018-02-07 21:41:59 UTC  

I think it has to do how the word nationalism is handled in my native language

2018-02-07 21:42:00 UTC  

Social democrats

2018-02-07 21:42:04 UTC  

Are liberals

2018-02-07 21:42:24 UTC  

leftist is a relative term

2018-02-07 21:42:26 UTC  

if you think social democracy isn't remotely left wing then you are marginally insane

2018-02-07 21:42:28 UTC  

Social democrats are actual peronists.

2018-02-07 21:42:57 UTC  

honestly seek help if you think that. You think an actual nazi would think that bernie sanders is a fucking rightist? Fuck off you idiot

2018-02-07 21:43:22 UTC  

Leftist is relative within systems only, and

2018-02-07 21:43:26 UTC  

The systems as a whoke

2018-02-07 21:43:32 UTC  

actually, I think left and right are stupid terms

2018-02-07 21:43:33 UTC  

Are known as liberal

2018-02-07 21:43:44 UTC  

He obviously said he wasnt american

2018-02-07 21:43:53 UTC  

call them what they are, but not that

2018-02-07 21:44:13 UTC  

how are anarchists and tankies in the same category

2018-02-07 21:44:20 UTC  

bloody stupid

2018-02-07 21:44:27 UTC  

Lsft and right refers to their positions in general on an axis

2018-02-07 21:44:41 UTC  

that doesn't exist

2018-02-07 21:45:02 UTC  

Not within a given political system relative to one another

2018-02-07 21:45:13 UTC  

And it does

2018-02-07 21:45:21 UTC  

Hence every test you've ever taken

2018-02-07 21:45:29 UTC  

Its just a means of organizing things