Message from @rn

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2018-02-07 21:31:51 UTC  

Not nationalist. All the war hawks and such swapped parties long ago

2018-02-07 21:31:54 UTC  

I'm not american either so please don't get that wrong

2018-02-07 21:32:03 UTC  

And no its not, its an excess,

2018-02-07 21:32:17 UTC  

But also, I said in the context of america, and

2018-02-07 21:32:27 UTC  

If outside the context of america

2018-02-07 21:32:43 UTC  

Unless you're using the terms wonky, or at a nazi,

2018-02-07 21:33:04 UTC  

I'm using nationalist in the most literal, logical way you could use it, you are the one that has been too influenced by "anti-nationalist" (the word) propoganda. My arguments would stay the same if you substituted the word nationalism for patriotism.

2018-02-07 21:33:18 UTC  

They arent compatible. Nazis only use democracy to bring about autarky

2018-02-07 21:33:19 UTC  

Annnd

2018-02-07 21:33:27 UTC  

No, it literally is an excess

2018-02-07 21:33:43 UTC  

That you not only love yout country, but that you view your country as supreme

2018-02-07 21:33:49 UTC  

you are interpreting the term nationalist with a post ww2 anti-fascist witch hunt mindset

2018-02-07 21:33:57 UTC  

No, im interpreting it as it is.

2018-02-07 21:34:11 UTC  

That you can love your country, and not be a nationalist.

2018-02-07 21:34:24 UTC  

Because thats not what the word means.

2018-02-07 21:34:33 UTC  

I don't view my country as supreme, but to me I believe that the interests of the home nation are to be given preference generally over others as a general rule

2018-02-07 21:35:06 UTC  

I understand what you are saying

2018-02-07 21:35:21 UTC  

"I dont prefer my country, but I prefer my countries and others prefer theirs"

2018-02-07 21:35:33 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/410911489084489738/Screenshot_20180207-133526.png

2018-02-07 21:35:53 UTC  

If you arent this, find another excessive descriptor

2018-02-07 21:36:08 UTC  

that's a pretty american definition

2018-02-07 21:36:14 UTC  

Its the definition

2018-02-07 21:36:25 UTC  

it's one definition

2018-02-07 21:36:25 UTC  

Words are transnational.

2018-02-07 21:36:36 UTC  

And yes, it is "one" definition

2018-02-07 21:36:48 UTC  

but I understand the two of you

2018-02-07 21:36:49 UTC  

But I can find you how many just like it?

2018-02-07 21:37:06 UTC  

Point is being patriotic alone isnt what makes you a nationalist.

2018-02-07 21:37:17 UTC  

There is a reason synonyms include jingoism

2018-02-07 21:37:23 UTC  

And chauvinism

2018-02-07 21:37:24 UTC  

I find that patriotism is more state-connected

2018-02-07 21:37:31 UTC  

Its just a love for country

2018-02-07 21:37:33 UTC  

and thus I prefer nationalism

2018-02-07 21:37:52 UTC  

as the word of choice

2018-02-07 21:38:02 UTC  

Its JUST a love of country, nationalism is believing in the supremacy of that country, relative to others

2018-02-07 21:38:10 UTC  

Idc how we pollute terms

2018-02-07 21:38:34 UTC  

look at the terms' origins

2018-02-07 21:39:06 UTC  

"patria" clearly is a certain country/ state

2018-02-07 21:39:17 UTC  

but nation is not state

2018-02-07 21:39:45 UTC  

Nation is nation, i.e. a people, a culture, all of the above

2018-02-07 21:40:09 UTC  

How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...