Message from @Firefly

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2017-05-29 07:39:15 UTC  

Since when was fascism capitalist

2017-05-29 07:39:25 UTC  

Since always

2017-05-29 07:39:50 UTC  

That's not true at all

2017-05-29 07:39:59 UTC  

Marxist definition of Fascism is radical capitalism.

2017-05-29 07:40:04 UTC  

Fascism inherently is either ambivalent or against it

2017-05-29 07:40:52 UTC  

>going off the marxist definition for something opposed to marxism

2017-05-29 07:41:12 UTC  

@Deleted User I'm Marxist. Which definition I should use?

2017-05-29 07:41:31 UTC  

Fascism is adherence to natural law to form a revolving state that sustains itself, that's really as best as I can describe it in few words

2017-05-29 07:41:39 UTC  

If that makes any sense

2017-05-29 07:42:12 UTC  

Nature to the fascist is the 'universal truth' and the fascist state is the 'organic state'
It revolves itself according to what is needed

2017-05-29 07:42:20 UTC  

"Stirner himself, however, has no truck with "higher beings." Indeed, with the aim of concerning himself purely with his own interests, he attacks all "higher beings," regarding them as a variety of what he calls "spooks," or ideas to which individuals sacrifice themselves and by which they are dominated. Among the "spooks" Stirner attacks are such notable aspects of capitalist life as private property, the division of labour, the state, religion, and society itself. We will discuss Stirner's critique of capitalism before moving onto his vision of an egoist society (and how it relates to social anarchism). "

2017-05-29 07:42:28 UTC  

Firefly wife is very sleepy by his side

2017-05-29 07:42:33 UTC  

So it *could* have a capitalist market system, but it's not inherently pro-capitalist

2017-05-29 07:43:19 UTC  

@Deleted User You give me an anti-Marxist perspective of it.

2017-05-29 07:44:39 UTC  

Fascism's revolution is based on perceived necessity and perceived natural order which really more opposes communism than Marxism

2017-05-29 07:45:04 UTC  

And by natural order I mean ignores things like equality

2017-05-29 07:45:32 UTC  

BUT it supports the idea of from each according to his ability

2017-05-29 07:45:57 UTC  

and in an actual fascist state to each according to his need would be upheld

2017-05-29 07:46:31 UTC  

@Deleted User that is why I shouldn't use my definition of Fascism?

2017-05-29 07:47:00 UTC  

Yes, because the definition you gave me implies fascism is based around capitalism, which is untrue

2017-05-29 07:47:36 UTC  

@Deleted User show me Fascism in anarchist society.

2017-05-29 07:47:48 UTC  

If it is not based in capitalism

2017-05-29 07:48:09 UTC  

Anarchism and fascism couldn't coincide because there is no order in anarchy

2017-05-29 07:48:25 UTC  

@Deleted User so it is not based in anarchy?

2017-05-29 07:48:31 UTC  

It cannot be

2017-05-29 07:48:53 UTC  

What about communism, can fascism be based in communism?

2017-05-29 07:49:48 UTC  

No, because communism requires unnatural equality. Socialism however can be used in a fascist state.

2017-05-29 07:50:04 UTC  

@Deleted User what is socialism?

2017-05-29 07:50:49 UTC  

The means of production are owned by society, or rather by the proles

2017-05-29 07:51:01 UTC  

@Deleted User that is not true

2017-05-29 07:51:07 UTC  

Define socialism

2017-05-29 07:51:21 UTC  

You like Marxist definition?

2017-05-29 07:51:28 UTC  

Go ahead

2017-05-29 07:52:03 UTC  

Socialism is a first stage of communism by Marxist definition.

2017-05-29 07:52:32 UTC  

That's a good reason to dislike the 'marxist definition's of these things

2017-05-29 07:52:46 UTC  

That is simplistic and gives no light to what exactly the policy of that economic system would be

2017-05-29 07:53:11 UTC  

I don't see how even the most pious communist could accept a mere
>IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF CAPITALISM
tier definition

2017-05-29 07:53:12 UTC  

At all

2017-05-29 07:53:18 UTC  

@Deleted User there is no need. Anything that leads to communism is socialism.

2017-05-29 07:55:51 UTC  

@Deleted User yes, but as an admin I do not engage in personal conversions. Plus my favorite wify is sleepy besides me.

2017-05-29 07:56:16 UTC  

true