Something about coming from feudalism or whatever

Basically we see the state apparatus as a tool of class rule. The dominant class uses it to oppress another

It forms because of the antagonistic contradictions between the proles and the bourgeoisie

We agree so far, ĉu ne?

We want to use the state apparatus as a tool of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, and remaining reactionary elements of society. If you agree that the state forms from class antagonisms, it only logically follows that the state would wither away as class does

What are your primary objections to this method of transitioning to communism

I'm not against this method per se, but I doubt the the state would wither away on its own, I think it would be too easy for new hierarchies to form using it

So you believe it is prone to devolving into red bureaucracy

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Yeah,

well that can be avoided if the state is subservient to the masses

this can be accomplished through soviet democracy

How do you make a state truly subservient though?

Imperative mandate

basically if you make the peoples representatives accountable to the people then the chances of a bureaucracy forming are minimized

I mean if I’m wrong please correct me, but it makes sense to me

You're not wrong, I just think that people's interests are better served in other ways.

Also, how do you plan to gain control of the state

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Are you talking about reformism?

If so, MLs believe the bourgeois state has to be completely destroyed

You say you want the proletariat to use the state as a tool against the bourgeoisie, but how would that happen?

Overthrow the bourgeoisie —> establish socialism with the vanguard party

The vanguard party is a weird concept to me, is it one of those things I have to read the books to understand

oatmeal

Yea pretty much

see anon gets it

I have a pdf collection of books and shit if you’d like to read something

you commies and your splinter groups

state and revolution is what I’d recommend for understanding ML ideas

and What is to be done

both by Lenin

read siege lmao epic

I don't have a pdf reader 😭.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

heres this then

actually i've never read siege

i should

Thanks man

You probably shouldn’t. Most of the fascists I’ve talked to about it tell me that it’s retarded inside and out

yes i know lmao