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anyone practice Krav Maga? I've recently began taking lessons
I took a little bit of it years ago
It was just basic combatives though
Its jooish, bruh
@Tyler0317 It was officially "created" by an Israeli, yeah, but it's also practical and largely based on boxing and wrestling (which are actual European martial arts)
I try to remove myself from the context haha
I also have a deeper intellectual criticism of Krav, but i'm in bed atm.
I'll walk thru the idea tomorrow
they teach it up at my gym. It looks pretty brutal. My only practical problem with it is that you can't play full contact with it
(With keeping server rules in mind) I think that ... we forget how brutal we need to be or not be In a confrontation....If the brutality of Krav Maga is needed in a given situation then I’m not using extremities to inflict said brutality.... I’m going to my “toolbox” that I’ve brought with me to the dance. If by some chance I don’t have said tools and I only have my extremities... mma works. I studied Krav ... “no rules mma” .... ya know ... fighting
My critisicm of Krav is:
1- You cannot spar
As eye gouges and kicks to the groin are unpracticable with peers
2-There is no competitive opportunity. No Krav tournaments that I am aware of
3-It's ✡ ish
I'm too squeamish to go around jamming my thumbs into people's eyeballs as a general matter
my instructor is pretty cool, and shows me a lot of techniques from true European wrestling
If it doesn’t involve lemon scented oil and wrastlin it ain’t worth the tits on a 🐗 boar.
@Aleis⊕ccidentalis Have you heard of catch wrestling?
Pardon me for my soapbox, catch wrestling has been an interest of mine for the past 18 months or so.
@Tyler0317 I haven't ever heard of that. Do you have any good links that explain what it is? Or can you?
My apologies to the other observers for my tangent.
When the "modern" olympics resumed in 1896, the sports were recomposed. Wrestling by historic rules was won by submission OR by pin.
Modern wrestling ruleset was made more sporting, with victories by pin or by points.
Once upon a time, what is now called Catch Wrestling(catch meaning 'Submission' in English of the time) was normal wrestling. Teddy Roosevelt, and Brigham Young were known to be enthusiastic Catch Wrestlers in their time.
Have you heard of Crying "uncle"? This was the way one verbally submitted in wrestling. Much like the now ubiquitous tapout of modern BJJ.
Catch Wrestlers became famous at carnivals in the early 1900s, and several of them branched out into Pro Wrestling, Promoters learned the value of having choregraphed matches, and the PRO Wrestling(Hulk Hogan) of our era descends from this alteration of the art of wrestling.
Ironically, Several wrestlers of the early 1900's ended up in Japan, where fight tournaments were a big ticket. Men like Karl Gotch made a name for themselves beating Japs, leading to European wrestling becoming a widely valued martial art in Japan. Called Shoot Wrestling, shoot being slang for "real" as opposed to fake pro wrestling.
The modern MMA promotion Shooto comes from "Shoot wrestling" in Japan.
Just like how foreign and exotic influences became fashionable in America(Karate, Tae Kwon Do,, BJJ), European wresting became fashionable in Japan, Kazushi Sakuraba being a notable descendant of Catch Wresting, and defeating 4 different members of the famous Gracie BJJ family.
--- My overall point being, Europe had it's own martial art, Catch Wrestling, which is of equal or greater standing to the more popular grappling arts of today, BJJ/Judo. We ought to be proud of it, and I hope that we are able to perpetuate our own martial art into the future, rather than BJJ.
Tangent complete. Thank you for your patience.
Some links to follow.@Aleis⊕ccidentalis
Although I have never studied it I have been fasciated by catch wrestling myself because of the same reasons you listed @Tyler0317 as well as because of my fandom of pro wrestling as a kid and the cross over that used to exist.