@The Huwhyte Ulf - VA I started with the turk meme stronglifts 5x5 added with curls and pulls. kettlebell and runs on off days. I am seeing great progress but it may be many more months until I get really big

I started with a month of keto too but now I am just at a generic low carb

keto gave me gut distress

I have a buddy that has been doing keto and has lost 20 lbs in a couple months. I dont think its for everyone though.

I have tried different routines but always come back to super sets as Arnold speaks about.

Chest/back, Biceps/Triceps integrate shoulders into either day. I also throw in some legs between the two days as well but sometimes just add a third day of legs.

@The Huwhyte Ulf - VA Yeha I lost 30 but I was 300 to start

Oh yes I always do weighted calf raises

They say calves recover quickly

Ive had that impression with mine. Gotta go heavy to see results. At least for myself

same with biceps.

Those are weak areas of mine

I just don't want to look weird, with big thighs and hips and butt from deadlifts and squats but tiny lower legs

Calves make or break you having "chicken legs"

Look up Kevin Nee, he is a strongman with basically nonexistent calves. It looks strange, but I don't think anyone ever thinks he skips leg day

Some peoples genetics dont allow their bodies to be as asthetic as others.

TBH yeah you need to put some work into them, but I think BIG calves are pretty ugly.

Nee looks fine.

>training calves

@Deleted User you don't approve?

Half joking here

they can definitely be aesthetic and add proportion, I'm just lazy about them

I got my calves from playing sports and hiking

Be a good Alpenmeister and go for a hike once a week

absolutely

rucking is great

Arnolds high volume routine will work better if youre stickin a ml in your glute

Do a strength based routine, its better for building mass generally than a bb split

Add accessories as you see fit tailored to what you want to look like and where youre lacking

A strict diet and a strength routine with linear or at least some form of progression will take you places for sure as a natty. Doing a bb split as a beginner/intermediate lifter is wasting your time. You can get to your goals so much quicker with strength based progressions

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What is a BB split?

Are you talking about a bro split/push pull legs routine? In that case, I'd totally disagree with you @BryceB-ND

I've seen so many dudes with SAD results sticking to solely a 5x5 routine

Nvm I see you didn't specifically mention 5x5. My bad

I do a ppl

Ppl is great

Same, agreed

Bb i abbreviated bodybuilding

Im at the gym atm

Same, Kek