Message from @Nemets

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2018-12-29 02:23:52 UTC  

can you calrify?

2018-12-29 02:23:56 UTC  

oh

2018-12-29 02:24:05 UTC  

probably a lot to clarify, haha

2018-12-29 02:24:21 UTC  

don't mean to ask for a history lesson haha

2018-12-29 02:24:29 UTC  

no problem

2018-12-29 02:25:15 UTC  

after mongols destroyed kiev and a lot of principalities, base of russian civilization shifted north of the forest line to places where nomadic hordes were less capable of attacking

2018-12-29 02:25:55 UTC  

moscow was a very loyal servant of the mongols, and gained a lot in power and wealth relatively during that time

2018-12-29 02:26:29 UTC  

by the 15th century, the mongols were destroying themselves through fighting between descendants of genghis khan and new warlords

2018-12-29 02:26:42 UTC  

so moscow was able to retake a lot of territory that had been lost

2018-12-29 02:27:08 UTC  

a lot of the various principalities had their own identities at that time, and regularly rebelled against moscow

2018-12-29 02:28:29 UTC  

Ivan IV is pretty famous for sacking novgorod, a major city that had its own identity, and he played an even larger role in his grandfather Ivan III in promoting russian identity in the territories he controlled

2018-12-29 02:28:57 UTC  

as time went on, the various principalities gradually lost their identities and became russians

2018-12-29 02:29:57 UTC  

however certain places like galicia and volhynia remained outside of russian control until 1945, and never adopted a russian identity, and instead kept their old identities as part of the old principalities. These identities became the modern ukrainian identity

2018-12-29 02:32:16 UTC  

so Ivan IV was part of a broader trend of centralization and russification that continued until 1917, but was exceptionally good at it

2018-12-29 02:32:42 UTC  

but he was still part of the old system in a lot of ways

2018-12-29 02:32:47 UTC  

hope that makes sense

2018-12-29 02:35:11 UTC  

Good introduction for sure. Let me know what you think of the book. Saw a cheap version (used) on amazon, how much did you pay? And how did you stumble on or rather settle on this book? Via interweb wormhole?

2018-12-29 03:05:14 UTC  

I think I was searching for medieval russian history on Amazon

2018-12-29 03:05:25 UTC  

it was $38 for kindle edition iirc

2018-12-29 03:06:37 UTC  

found a cheap used paperback. let me know how you like it. i'll probably pick it up regardless.

2018-12-29 03:10:40 UTC  

will do

2018-12-31 22:02:12 UTC  

@Mick I read a pretty good synthesis of Russian history from the Kievan Rus all the way to Putin a couple years ago. Next time I’m near it, I’ll send you a pic of the cover. I read it with almost now background info though, so if you know a lot about Russian history, you might not be a big fan

2019-01-01 07:01:16 UTC  

I don't know much at all really. Very basic fun fact level.

2019-01-01 07:03:58 UTC  

So yeah, if you can recall or find the book and let me know, that'd be great.

2019-01-01 07:04:35 UTC  

this medieval russia book is pretty good so far

2019-01-01 07:05:38 UTC  

Gonna buy it in a batch of books soon here probably. Hopefully @Tron can remember what book he's talking about so I can get that too.

2019-01-02 04:34:26 UTC  

@Tron Greg was really on fire the last half of 2018. Looking forward to his new collection.

2019-01-02 19:30:30 UTC  

Almost finished with The Strange Death of Europe audiobook. It was great. starting on Ship of Fools.

2019-01-05 05:03:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393247992939020288/530974640558964737/IMG_20190104_210107.jpg

2019-01-05 05:03:44 UTC  

might have sounded better with "identitarian" than "white nationalist", but you get the point

2019-01-05 05:06:11 UTC  

@Jacob that page from the white nationalist manifesto?

2019-01-05 05:09:06 UTC  

yes

2019-01-05 05:09:28 UTC  

@Jacob did you know that Mufon the UFO people have a lobbyist in DC? How sad is it that white people cant have a lobby.

2019-01-05 05:09:44 UTC  

page 126 @lonewolf19d

2019-01-05 05:11:08 UTC  

@Nerv - VA lmao post this in general on the main server and I'll tell you something that reminds me of

2019-01-05 05:11:43 UTC  

Haha. I think people think I’m weird as it is.

2019-01-05 05:11:50 UTC  

I’ll do it.

2019-01-05 05:24:01 UTC  

Good paragraph from Why We Fight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393247992939020288/530979764639367168/Screen_Shot_2019-01-04_at_10.23.25_PM.png

2019-01-12 08:20:09 UTC  

@Nemets Did you get the first or second edition (Medieval Russia)? Wondering how much it matters since I found a cheap version of the first edition.

2019-01-12 08:22:33 UTC  

bought the first ed. anyway, just wondering...