yep ^

Or just being too much of a friend. Being too available, and too open, etc

Nothing makes them want you more than apathy

Or at least controlled apathy

Ex. Don’t message them back as soon as you are receiving messages, don’t act like it is all or nothing, desperation is a major “turn off”

True

Women crave attention more than anything else, so play it aloof and they will respond to you.

I found my fiancé on accident, remember those women you were friends with in school? That is a good place to start, perhaps unrequited love is why they stayed around you?

Just message them, your maturity and familiarity may be just what the doctor ordered.

Yea I think you are right on that analysis

@missliterallywho

Well his analysis too I suppose

@missliterallywho congrats again on the child

Yea I’ve still got a lot of growing up to do and need to work on making myself a better person physically and mentally before I’m ready for something.
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Congrats on finding someone whom your love and your first child. That’s awesome you met them through IE

Same!

@missliterallywho Thank you for the advice! Yes, the idea of marriage can be intimidating. Makes complete sense. 😃 Congratulations on your first child!! That’s so awesome ❤️

@missliterallywho the ChadanChad?

(The Chad of Chads)

@Sherlock I had the same problem with finding a place to meet women and honestly I'm sorry to say it's really tough. I was looking for years and when I finally found her she's on the other side of the planet and everything is more difficult than I expected.

All that being said, they are out there. I of course recommend going to church. It's the best way in my opinion to find an actually traditional woman. If that's not your thing though you should still be setting aside at least one day per week to engage with a community of your choosing. Maybe your thing will be cars, hunting, bowling, or community gardening. The point is just get out there and grow your non-political social network. Even if what you do is a primarily male hobby people have sisters and daughters and they will be much more comfortable with you if you are part of their community.

Forget about all the PUA bull that people are selling on the internet. Social engagement and social proof is how you meet and attract women.

Also if you want to convert to Hardcore German Lutheranism I promised my girlfriend that I'd help her sister find a husband.

Haha I don’t reckon I’m much the religious type. I wish I were because like you said it would be a lot easier to meet a girl worth meeting. Thank you for the advice. Building a better social network does seem to be the key.

Agree with @Der Seeteufel - SD , PUA will only attract you to women who are attracted by PUA. I'd also reiterate what I said to @Sherlock in the other channel, that night classes are a great way to meet people. I meet my wife at a foreign language course.

Foreign language courses are great for this purpose since conversing with others is a goal of the course.

This was recommended to me by another IE member and I’ve found it very helpful.
Models: Attract Women Through Honesty https://www.amazon.com/dp/1463750358/

Isn't a lot of PUA stuff just social skills, though?

Yeah, but social skills written by guys who only figured out how to be social when they were 25

Any advice for messaging a girl on Instagram? Someone that has mutual friends followed me and I figured why not, she's cute and her page is free of thottery. She goes to the university I'll be transferring to next year. Obviously my intention would be to get to know her in person, but any tips for just making an attractive first impression?

I'm not sure if this is the best first impression, but an easy innocuous way to start talking would just be to say your transferring in and have a question or some shit.

Why not just follow her IG with an alias and show up to an event she's at? Then pretend you know nothing about her and it's all a coincidence

very Machiavellian here

Lol

What tide said

Being confident and just knowing how to talk to girls like theyre humans is a good first step for a lot of the guys in IE that are transitioning from a NEET lifestyle

Not every social interaction with a girl should have her teetering on edge thinking youre gonna ask her out at the end too

What @missliterallywho said.

Tfw no gf

@Warren H Make sure your account is public so she can see you. Once she sees a photo of you, she's going to decide if you're worth talking to or worth curving then screenshoting to show her friends in the first three seconds

“Curving”?

Two days ago my woman and I ended an extremely turbulent relationship. It was the first time either of us have been in love, or have considered raising a family with a partner, and she has described her attraction to me as being so intense it simply overwhelms her. There are other factors, too, which have complicated things and more or less doomed any kind of future between her and I. The both of us are a bit devastated, to say the least. She's moved out of town, and I've asked her not to speak to me for awhile, although I feel constantly compelled to reach out to her.

@Aleis⊕ccidentalis sorry to hear that, brother. Stay strong, no contact.