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2017-12-28 21:26:51 UTC  

@Zyzz Nice, I like to use options during earnings season too, though I will usually get ones expiring a few days or maybe a week max after the earnings report comes out since they respond more sharply to the movement of the stock.
Outside earnings season, I still like to use options for all sorts of things. For a while I was using OTM "protective" puts as insurance on an ETF I was holding (This was USO for the first six months of 2015). Sometimes I buy naked puts deep ITM as a way to short a stock, which I did with SPY in the 3rd quarter 2014 and turned my first profit. More recently I've been selling OTM covered calls on SPY as a way to get extra money out of holding that stock. During earnings season I will usually use vertical spreads as a way to cap the cost of the options I buy and as a way to more easily quantify my risk/reward ratio (vertical spreads, especially with very close strikes, act a lot like binary options). Those are the main strategies I use. Sometimes if I have an opinion about something long term but I don't think it will happen short term, (like if I think SPY will go up in the next 3 months, but not in the next week) then I might buy a calendar spread where I buy longterm OTM and sell short term OTM. I also played with selling an Iron Condor once and I might a few bucks. The covered calls and the Iron Condors I used for safer bets that net me just a few bucks, and they're always near-term expiry.

2017-12-28 22:18:20 UTC  

what are good resources (preferably free) to learn about options and how to use them>

2017-12-28 22:18:22 UTC  

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2017-12-28 22:18:50 UTC  

I gave a talk on here a few weeks ago. I can do it again.

2017-12-28 22:19:00 UTC  

If you get one or two more people to join that would be even better @Deleted User

2017-12-28 22:19:51 UTC  

@ThisIsChris Options are a lot of fun. I usually buy puts on stocks I think will bomb on earnings.

2017-12-28 22:20:20 UTC  

Here's a leverage story you might like:

2017-12-28 22:20:43 UTC  

in early summer 2015, I read an article about how Chinese peasants were double-mortgaging their properties to buy into the stock market

2017-12-28 22:21:02 UTC  

there were makeshift "stock cafes" being set up where they could come in and buy stock.

2017-12-28 22:21:24 UTC  

I saw this as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make an obvious play

2017-12-28 22:21:38 UTC  

There's an ETF called YANG

2017-12-28 22:21:54 UTC  

it's a 3x leveraged bear fund for the broad Chinese stock market

2017-12-28 22:22:22 UTC  

Oh yeah YING and YANG lol

2017-12-28 22:22:29 UTC  

so if the chinese market goes down 1%, it's engineered to increase 3%

2017-12-28 22:22:31 UTC  

yeah, exactly

2017-12-28 22:22:45 UTC  

So I bought a couple thousand worth of OOM call options on it

2017-12-28 22:22:50 UTC  

oh god, 3x ETF, in an options story...

2017-12-28 22:22:56 UTC  

😃

2017-12-28 22:23:06 UTC  

worked out pretty well

2017-12-28 22:23:33 UTC  

Wow, I have to call no homo and no schlomo, but that's really awesome

2017-12-28 22:23:34 UTC  

I could have held on a few more weeks, but I was very happy with the return

2017-12-28 22:24:04 UTC  

opportunities like that don't come around very often .I was lucky enough to read the right news article

2017-12-28 22:24:31 UTC  

I was lucky it tanked so quickly too. If I had been off on my timing it would have been a washout

2017-12-28 22:24:36 UTC  

sometimes things work out!

2017-12-28 22:24:45 UTC  

Yeah good job dude putting that into action!

2017-12-28 22:25:04 UTC  

I love those complex strategies though

2017-12-28 22:25:16 UTC  

it's fun to see them mapped out in thinkorswim

2017-12-28 22:25:35 UTC  

I haven't seen a good opportunity for one yet. I usually keep it simple-minded.

2017-12-28 22:28:01 UTC  

Yeah I love looking at charts showing payoffs evolve in time, and how they start off in these weird smooth shapes that slowly converge to rigid slopes

2017-12-28 22:28:12 UTC  

Yes!

2017-12-28 22:28:48 UTC  

Can you tag me if you're making an interesting trade? I'd at least like to follow along. I might jump in too if I understand it enough to make an informed decision.

2017-12-28 22:29:06 UTC  

Yeah dude I definitely will, please do likewise!

2017-12-28 22:29:08 UTC  

I understand the fundamentals, but I don't spend enough time digging into opportunities

2017-12-28 22:29:09 UTC  

you bet!

2017-12-28 22:30:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352760194775777282/396067453714694164/unknown.png

2017-12-28 22:30:47 UTC  

Yeah that's a New Years Resolution of mine is to research opportunities. Past year I've just been doing things around earning season on FAAAMNNG or covered calls on SPY. I had more time to research this stuff a few years ago and looking to get back into it more

2017-12-28 22:30:51 UTC  

The YANG trade I mentioned earlier ^^^

2017-12-28 22:31:25 UTC  

dude that's so awesome

2017-12-28 22:31:26 UTC  

Covered calls are fun

2017-12-28 22:31:43 UTC  

Great way to make your blue chips do a little extra work

2017-12-28 22:32:08 UTC  

Yeah I usually sell slightly OTM SPY calls expiring the next wednesday or Friday