and we should ask if it is in God's will when praying and not treat him like a 'magic genie'.

Yes we have free will but God knows all

and we should pray for God's will to be done, it is a part of the Lord's Prayer.

God’s*

A apostrophe makes the difference between one who has ownership...or many

sorry

@Mistress-Kadachi but God is also in heaven, and He can see all things and watches over us. Are the saints not more alive than we are? We are the ones who are still living in the “valley of tears”. If we can ask our loved ones on earth to pray for us, than the logic would hold for those loved ones who have continued their eternal life in heaven.

We can always pray directly to God too.

But what if it is not in God's will?

Yes Gods will be done. Always.

The saints cannot sway God's decision

Then why pray at all if Gods will will always be done? God has two “wills” His positive will and His permissive will. Sometimes He is just waiting for us to come to Him so he can move in our lives.

I'm not saying don't pray, I'm sort of saying don't pray with the assumption that God will answer it the you want him to.

His positive will is when he wants something Good to happen and it happens. His permissive will is when he allows suffering to happen to bring about a greater good. We can ask for things from God. It is called “intercession”. And sometimes this intercession is just what God was waiting for us to do. It is a form of prayer where we humble ourselves before God. Didn’t Jesus himself ask God the Father for the cup to be passed from him. “Not my will but thine be done.”

No God is not our little doggie who comes when we call.

I think we agree there

This could help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VxyGP7z2rk

it's a little long though, it's probably a full sermon.

This is a little more short and to the point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrfVv5u7ui0

Ok @Supertonesfan91 I will listen just for you. And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? [12] Or if he shall ask an egg, will he reach him a scorpion? [13] If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from heaven give the good Spirit to them that ask him?

God “relented” meaning the wrath of His justice was appeased by His boundless mercy. We can either enter to heaven by Gods justice or through His mercy. No one can enter through his justice, because we have all committed infidelity. But all can enter in through the door of His mercy. But he wants us to humble ourselves and ASK.

Both God's Justice and his Mercy work in tandem though. He could not give us Mercy without fulfilling his attribute of Justice.

so it isn't either or, Jesus took the wrath of God the Father so that he could give us Mercy.

Christianity is confusing

can someone please explain the convo a bit?

Talking about prayer

one says you shouldnt pray, and other says you should?

thats all i understood

I never said you shouldn't pray

oh

well then i didnt understand anything lol

I said or was trying to say was that praying to Mary or the Saints in Heaven is unbiblical because Jesus is our only mediator, and also that we should pray that if it is according God's will then let it be done.

because we cannot sway God's will but prayer is still important because it can bring us into a closer with God.

Every prayer that’s everything but a “thank you Lord” Prayer has a “if it be in thy will” in it somewhere

oh, makes a lot of sense now

thanks alot for clarifying that

Sorry for the long read. It’s from an article. I hope you’ll read.

First, God expects us to pray for one another. We see this in both the Old and New Testaments.

In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8).

Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32).

James says: “Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects” (James 5:16-17). Thus, according to Scripture, God wants us to pray for one another. This must mean that prayer for one another cannot detract from the role of Jesus Christ as our one mediator with God.

yes, one can pray for another thats not problem imo

but dead people cant

It's the other way, christian are Judaism 2.0