Messsage from Deleted User in Nick Fuentes Server #history-server


Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:15:01  

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:06  

The closest you can get to that is what we originally had.

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:21  

White male landowners who had actual stock in the country they were voting to rule.

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:31  

Or

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:37  

do what the Holy Roman empire did,

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:43  

except on a much larger scale,

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:15:53  

have inheritated positions of power which are capable of voting.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:17  

I'm asking more of a question about definition

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:29  

is it possible for a republic to not have suffrage

Thomas 2018-03-21 03:17:42  

It is not.

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:45  

or would it just be an oligarchy or aristocracy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 03:17:51  

okay

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:03  

@Hektor#9849 well how do you have a legitimate transition of power

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:12  

without any form of suffrage or hereditary right

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:18  

trial by combat

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:38  

There's a lot of nascent republics that don't have any democracy

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:08:44  

but that seems like a transition period

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:18  

i.e., the English Protectorate, the French Directory

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:42  

@Hektor and even if the leader isn't elected in a republic, the legislature almost always is

Deleted User 2018-03-21 04:09:48  

@Hektor#9849 Why can't I ping you?

Deleted User 2018-03-21 08:10:46  

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Deleted User 2018-03-21 08:50:14  

no ur mom and dad gay together

BikerBandito 2018-03-21 11:26:06  

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BikerBandito 2018-03-21 12:55:05  

das right

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:15:32  

@Deleted User Would they even be a republic if there isn't suffrage though? How can government be a public matter if there is no voting?

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:45:28  

There are degrees of publicness and differences in how legitimacy is drawn

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:45:53  

But you're right in that it's very hard to have a republic without a mechanism for public feedback

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:46:13  

The examples I mentioned weren't monarchies

Deleted User 2018-03-21 18:46:28  

and relied on an elected legislature while not having an elected executive

Deleted User 2018-03-21 20:59:20  

I'll look into that. tbh I've never heard of something like that

Deleted User 2018-03-21 20:59:27  

my brainlet status is showing

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:27:41  

well those republics were never intended to have an unelected executive

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:28:04  

in fact the directory didn't even have a single chief executive, it had a board of executives

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:28:46  

it's just that in the case of the English Protectorate, Cromwell and the New Model Army got tired of the Rump Parliament for taking too long to forge a constitution so he dismissed them

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:29:00  

and each new attempt to convene parliament during his reign as lord protector resulted in the same deadlock

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:29:28  

and with the French Republic and the Directory, there were elections for the directory, but suffrage was limited, and the elections were mostly rigged

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:29:42  

then of course you had Napoleon as consul while France was still nominally a Republic

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:30:08  

and finally here's an interesting plan: Bolivar wanted Gran Colombia to have presidents-for-life

Deleted User 2018-03-22 00:30:18  

with an elected legislature and a one-time election for each president

✠ Deus Vult ✠ 2018-03-22 22:49:07  

*fellas*