Message from Deleted User in Nick Fuentes Server #history-server


2018-03-21 03:15:01 UTC  

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy

2018-03-21 03:15:06 UTC  

The closest you can get to that is what we originally had.

2018-03-21 03:15:21 UTC  

White male landowners who had actual stock in the country they were voting to rule.

2018-03-21 03:15:31 UTC  

Or

2018-03-21 03:15:37 UTC  

do what the Holy Roman empire did,

2018-03-21 03:15:43 UTC  

except on a much larger scale,

2018-03-21 03:15:53 UTC  

have inheritated positions of power which are capable of voting.

2018-03-21 03:17:17 UTC  

I'm asking more of a question about definition

2018-03-21 03:17:29 UTC  

is it possible for a republic to not have suffrage

2018-03-21 03:17:42 UTC  

It is not.

2018-03-21 03:17:45 UTC  

or would it just be an oligarchy or aristocracy

2018-03-21 03:17:51 UTC  

okay

2018-03-21 04:08:03 UTC  

@Hektor#9849 well how do you have a legitimate transition of power

2018-03-21 04:08:12 UTC  

without any form of suffrage or hereditary right

2018-03-21 04:08:18 UTC  

trial by combat

2018-03-21 04:08:38 UTC  

There's a lot of nascent republics that don't have any democracy

2018-03-21 04:08:44 UTC  

but that seems like a transition period

2018-03-21 04:09:18 UTC  

i.e., the English Protectorate, the French Directory

2018-03-21 04:09:42 UTC  

@Hektor and even if the leader isn't elected in a republic, the legislature almost always is

2018-03-21 04:09:48 UTC  

@Hektor#9849 Why can't I ping you?

2018-03-21 08:10:46 UTC  

Hitler was gay

2018-03-21 08:16:57 UTC  

ur mom gay

2018-03-21 08:50:14 UTC  

no ur mom and dad gay together

2018-03-21 11:26:06 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423672101250269187/425978404844601354/Capture.PNG

2018-03-21 12:55:05 UTC  

das right

2018-03-21 18:15:32 UTC  

@Deleted User Would they even be a republic if there isn't suffrage though? How can government be a public matter if there is no voting?

2018-03-21 18:45:28 UTC  

There are degrees of publicness and differences in how legitimacy is drawn

2018-03-21 18:45:53 UTC  

But you're right in that it's very hard to have a republic without a mechanism for public feedback

2018-03-21 18:46:13 UTC  

The examples I mentioned weren't monarchies

2018-03-21 18:46:28 UTC  

and relied on an elected legislature while not having an elected executive

2018-03-21 20:59:20 UTC  

I'll look into that. tbh I've never heard of something like that

2018-03-21 20:59:27 UTC  

my brainlet status is showing

2018-03-22 00:27:41 UTC  

well those republics were never intended to have an unelected executive

2018-03-22 00:28:04 UTC  

in fact the directory didn't even have a single chief executive, it had a board of executives

2018-03-22 00:28:46 UTC  

it's just that in the case of the English Protectorate, Cromwell and the New Model Army got tired of the Rump Parliament for taking too long to forge a constitution so he dismissed them

2018-03-22 00:29:00 UTC  

and each new attempt to convene parliament during his reign as lord protector resulted in the same deadlock

2018-03-22 00:29:28 UTC  

and with the French Republic and the Directory, there were elections for the directory, but suffrage was limited, and the elections were mostly rigged

2018-03-22 00:29:42 UTC  

then of course you had Napoleon as consul while France was still nominally a Republic

2018-03-22 00:30:08 UTC  

and finally here's an interesting plan: Bolivar wanted Gran Colombia to have presidents-for-life

2018-03-22 00:30:18 UTC  

with an elected legislature and a one-time election for each president

2018-03-22 22:49:07 UTC  

*fellas*