Message from @Mella Forta

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2018-04-24 18:03:37 UTC  

its definitely against the Catholic Church teaching to believe it or practice any of the rituals
If you want a tldr on it its basically heretical shit that generally involves humanity ascending to the status of a god

it depends, some of it is perennial, some of it isnt

2018-04-24 18:03:44 UTC  

im mostly familiar with gnosticism

2018-04-24 18:05:12 UTC  

Ohhh

2018-04-24 18:05:38 UTC  

which believes the material world was created by a Demiurge (craftsman) who was created by God. Its their equivalent of Satan.
They believe true Christianity is essentially achieving Gnosis and gaining communion with the real God (who Christ was an emanation of)

Then there's shit with demons and all of that which is common to a lot of it, and that stuff may or may not be real, I'm really not woke enough

2018-04-24 18:05:53 UTC  

Is there anything worth learning to a catholic/orthodox

2018-04-24 18:06:09 UTC  

Yea I know a little bit about Gnosticism

2018-04-24 18:06:13 UTC  

I haven't read most of that stuff, only very basic intro level material

The way I see it, its something you should study for fun but take all of it with a grain of salt

2018-04-24 18:06:21 UTC  

Its no substitute for real religion

2018-04-24 18:06:28 UTC  

its kind of like larpy fan fiction

2018-04-24 18:07:24 UTC  

I thought gnostics believe that the true god doesn't involve himself with the world or something

2018-04-24 18:09:35 UTC  

I think the Bible sets a good example where it has a balance of dogma, stories and esoteric symbolism. You need a little bit of each, but the Gnostics I've met get autistically fixated on the big brained stuff esoteric stuff. A pinch of it is good, too much of it is heretical/gay

Well I believe Gnosticism predates Gnostic Christianity. I imagine there are several variants of it as well.
Gnostic Christians specifically believe that Christ was an emanation of the true God, the root of all things. Other Gnostics probably don't believe in that so they might believe that the true God doesn't intervene at all

2018-04-24 18:10:18 UTC  

That makes sense

2018-04-24 18:10:54 UTC  

What's up with p*gans like styx practicing occultism

2018-04-24 18:12:41 UTC  

I'd be interesting to see the origins of the occult, because while a lot of it comes form Gnosticism and Kaballah and that sort of folk lore there's probably some derived from pagan elements as well and Styx would probably know about that

2018-04-24 18:13:27 UTC  

theres also general stuff like alchemy and hermeticism which aren't explicitly Jewish or Christian in origin

2018-04-24 18:14:25 UTC  

But a lot of seems to just basically be Satanism. That's what Anton Lavey the Church of Satan guy said, that basically he was the only honest new age person because he admitted it was satanism

2018-04-24 18:15:07 UTC  

I know Styx literally used to study this stuff as part of his career so he's probably got a pretty deep understanding of it

2018-04-24 18:24:18 UTC  

Yea that makes sense. Styx is a weirdo edge lord but it seems like he studies theology on an autistic level

2018-04-24 18:25:56 UTC  

Gnosticism is Protestantism without the book

2018-04-24 18:32:25 UTC  

Gnosticism is basically Christianity for hyper-individualistic edgelords who don't want to go to church

2018-04-24 19:00:16 UTC  

I don't think Styx is very knowledgeable about Christianity at all. He has a very basic bitch condescending understanding of it.

2018-04-24 19:25:04 UTC  

He's at least better than the atheist like AIU that just sit there and ask condescending questions

2018-04-24 19:25:34 UTC  

And then say they don't want to talk about whatever your counter point is

2018-04-24 22:50:25 UTC  

styx has a knowledge of ancient stuff / occult stuff and anything esoteric, I don't think he's ever studied christianity or any religion extensively, he seems like he's more into the weird/spooky stuff

2018-04-25 03:26:36 UTC  

I’ve seen some of his stuff on it, he definitely has

2018-04-25 03:26:51 UTC  

yea

2018-04-25 03:26:55 UTC  

He just doesn’t go hard on it because he likes religious people

2018-04-25 03:27:00 UTC  

he has read the bible multiple times apparently

2018-04-25 03:27:28 UTC  

Yeah. I’m not a big Styx guy but he definitely knows his stuff about Christianity

2018-04-25 03:31:32 UTC  

but he never read the summa

2018-04-25 03:34:11 UTC  

well then he doesnt know shit

2018-04-25 03:39:58 UTC  

Let's talk books

2018-04-25 09:55:54 UTC  

People are reading city of God

2018-04-25 12:41:11 UTC  

People are reading The Confessions

2018-04-25 15:48:33 UTC  

People are reading Guns Germs and Steel

2018-04-25 20:28:06 UTC  

People are reading The Diary of Anne Frank

2018-04-26 15:45:25 UTC  

People are reading Gregory Malchuk's manifesto

2018-04-26 19:09:41 UTC  

People are reading Kanye's Twitter

2018-04-27 01:12:59 UTC  

People are reading Dialectic of Enlightenment

2018-04-27 06:10:59 UTC  

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2018-04-27 07:37:20 UTC  

wtf