Message from @Metaphysical Monarchist

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2018-07-31 17:54:41 UTC  

Haven’t read Matr

2018-07-31 17:54:53 UTC  

Men amongst the ruins is the best imo

2018-07-31 17:55:07 UTC  

About traditionalism

2018-07-31 17:55:19 UTC  

I read the hermetic traditon, like 2/3 or doctrine of awakening and I got half way through Revolt before I decided I was getting much out of it

2018-07-31 17:55:20 UTC  

Connection of people to the land their ancestors settled

2018-07-31 17:55:37 UTC  

Yeah some of his stud is way out there

2018-07-31 17:55:59 UTC  

A bit of Heidegger and Nietzsche is maybe berter

2018-07-31 17:56:17 UTC  

I dunno any Christian philosophers that fit the mood of them Do you?

2018-07-31 17:57:50 UTC  

Men Among the Ruins: Post-War Reflections of a Radical Traditionalist https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0892819057/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_nmkyBb23F0434

2018-07-31 17:58:02 UTC  

Yeah fundamentally its basically just saying that the perennial truth is that the elite can reach an "unconditioned state" that makes them greater than God and allows them to transcend all abstractions, order/chaos and what not. It also makes you immortal essentially.
Thats his spiritual belief

I've been reading Nietzsche as well, started the Gay Science and I really like it, I've just been reading it slowly.

There's Fr Seraphim Rose who was inspired by Guenon to become Orthodox but I'm pretty sure he wasn't technically in the traditionalist school

2018-07-31 17:58:23 UTC  

and then Coomaraswamy (probably spelling it wrong) was an Indian traditionalist who became Catholic

2018-07-31 17:58:34 UTC  

With Nietzsche

2018-07-31 17:58:46 UTC  

His best are Genolgy of morala

2018-07-31 17:58:58 UTC  

I own a copy of men among the ruins

2018-07-31 17:59:02 UTC  

And Thus spoke Zarathustra

2018-07-31 17:59:23 UTC  

The concept of the last men is literally where we are today

2018-07-31 18:00:08 UTC  

and I listened to some lectures on genealogy of morals, but havent read it, the beginning of the gay science is all I've read.

I want to read his complete works, but I'm learning German so I'm going to wait to read him until I'm proficient enough to read it in the original language

2018-07-31 18:00:16 UTC  

and so much of what he says is where we are today

2018-07-31 18:00:30 UTC  

Heidegger is also German

2018-07-31 18:00:36 UTC  

Also worth reading

2018-07-31 18:00:43 UTC  

Both better than Evola imo

2018-07-31 18:00:58 UTC  

Not quite as anti Christianity imo

2018-07-31 18:03:27 UTC  

He's nowhere near the sort of edgy caricature you get of him from retards, and just from what I've read so far alone its scary how insightful it is. Theres a passage in the gay science where he basically says socialism, revolutionary politics and moralistic christianity are basically what cucks mouth to keep themselves feeling dignified in conditions of servitude. Given I started out as a marxist, then was a pol larper and now I'm more into traditionalist catholicism, its making me question the underlying psychology that's driving me towards these kinds of ideologies and belief systems in the first place

And yeah theres tons of good german authors, Kant, the other idealists, hegel, schopenhauer, stirner and a lot of political writers as well

2018-07-31 18:03:45 UTC  

also german mysticism interests me as well

2018-07-31 18:04:45 UTC  

Neixtche is very good

2018-07-31 18:05:03 UTC  

It’s not moved me away from Christianity rather towards it in a search for meaning

2018-07-31 18:10:49 UTC  

The main thing its made me think about is basically the way I look at Christianity. Rather than starting from "I feel sick and can't suffer existence any longer " and becoming christian to solve the problem, I think a healthier way of looking at it would be to start from natural health and choose Christianity because you find it to be true/edifying/healthier/etc

2018-07-31 18:10:56 UTC  

thats what I've gotten out of it so far

2018-07-31 18:23:07 UTC  

You live healthy , wholesome and think Christianity would evaluate by being @Mephisto

2018-07-31 18:25:31 UTC  

I think starting from bodily health is just generally a good idea. Thats not say the sort of asceticism and hatred of the flesh practiced for awhile was wrong but I think we're dealing with a new demon of nihilistic doubt nowadays
The Solution might be a faith that is more grounded in a sort of virility (like what evola talks about) which is grounded in a physical health

2018-07-31 18:25:45 UTC  

what im saying is probably borderline heretical but im still working it out

2018-07-31 18:27:42 UTC  

@Mephisto God wants you to take care of your body

2018-07-31 18:31:09 UTC  

which is why I say borderline. Im going to keep trying to figure stuff out though @Metaphysical Monarchist

2018-08-05 11:20:05 UTC  

i read the first couple chapters of revolt against the modern world, he just talks about poo in the loo mysticism endlessly

2018-08-05 11:20:52 UTC  

overrated author

2018-08-05 14:23:44 UTC  

@sbbu Just read men amongst the ruins

2018-08-05 14:58:17 UTC  

is it worth it

2018-08-05 14:59:04 UTC  

@sbbu this was my exact experience, I got to pg 150, not sure if i want to read the rest

2018-08-05 21:47:27 UTC  

Anyone else read Book of the New Sun? Sam Hyde always used to shill for it in Q&As, really enjoying it.

2018-08-05 21:56:36 UTC  

Who's it by

2018-08-06 00:39:57 UTC  

Gene Wolfe