Message from @Orchid

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2017-10-10 20:53:58 UTC  

When will we be deciding where to make the move? What are the criteria we're looking out for? I've done a ton of readind and research into all parts of the PNW, and the rest of the country. It all started years ago when I read Skousen's Strategic Relocation book.

2017-10-10 20:54:14 UTC  

Yeah, that's more in line. Good job.

2017-10-10 20:54:28 UTC  

I have a pretty good idea of the general parts of the country, their demographic trajectory, and their strategic advantages and disadvantages

2017-10-10 20:57:28 UTC  

Right now we want to wait about a year, and then see how many people are ready to go, and then depending on that we might adjust the timeline. If you know alot about the region's geography, thats really useful

2017-10-10 21:00:08 UTC  

it might be worth looking up some sort of documentation about what's best for non-us-nationals to do

2017-10-10 21:00:59 UTC  

We can discuss various locations at anytime, and have already discussed some. Some of the criteria we are looking for: good arable land and climate, presence of a small town (about 2000 people or less), relative proximity of a larger city is preferrable. Access to fresh water, good natural obstacles like lakes or mountains, and proximity to renewable energy like hydroelectric dams is preferrable

2017-10-10 21:01:09 UTC  

generally speaking, guest or visitation type visas are very easy to get, if this gets off the ground, it could be worth setting up a 'fake' university for people to get student visas for

2017-10-10 21:01:43 UTC  

that could be very illlegal though, we could for a company and sponsor workers

2017-10-10 21:01:44 UTC  

whenever i went to russia, there's always 'fake hotels' that send you their invitations for visas

2017-10-10 21:02:43 UTC  

dont need that anymore now, since i can travel without visa along with my wife now

2017-10-10 21:02:57 UTC  

but going for work-visas is tricky

2017-10-10 21:03:38 UTC  

because for that to work, you'd have to have a position advertised on the 'domestic market' for 6 months, and are only eligable to bring in people if you cant find the specialisation in the country

2017-10-10 21:04:03 UTC  

also the company has to pay a shitload for it essentially

2017-10-10 21:04:23 UTC  

so it'd have to be something that becomes economically viable, break-even at minimum.

2017-10-10 21:06:02 UTC  

hopefully someone here has some experience with this stuff, it needs to be discussed more

2017-10-10 21:13:49 UTC  

well, as with most things, it becomes easier as soon as there legitimately IS some sort of established community

2017-10-10 21:22:20 UTC  

@Marlow Since you seem to know this stuff, whats your opinion of western WA and OR, compared to states like Idaho and Wyoming?

2017-10-10 21:22:48 UTC  

How much harsher is the climate, and what advantages do you think one has over the other?

2017-10-10 21:23:07 UTC  

Do you mean Eastern?

2017-10-10 21:23:14 UTC  

because Western is a no-go

2017-10-10 21:23:19 UTC  

why?

2017-10-10 21:23:28 UTC  

seismic and population issues

2017-10-10 21:23:49 UTC  

yes there are bigger population centers, so it's easier to find work

2017-10-10 21:24:04 UTC  

but the politics of those areas is terrible

2017-10-10 21:24:42 UTC  

there are some places that are better suited outside of those cities, if you really need access to the economy there, but I advise Idaho or Montana

2017-10-10 21:24:50 UTC  

much friendlier politically and culturally

2017-10-10 21:27:06 UTC  

climate is also sunnier and swings to seasonal extremes more as you travel east, Finally when you hit the rockies, expect a slightly wetter climate, a little more snow, and up in the rockies by the continental divide (Columbia Falls, etc.) much more snow, shorter growing season, colder overall temperatures, etc.

2017-10-10 21:27:44 UTC  

the happy medium, to me, seams to be the Idaho panhandle, Benewah, Kootenai, and Bonner county

2017-10-10 21:28:52 UTC  

I would recommend the eastern areas of Washington and Orgeon, were it not for the governments there, but at the same time if you're looking for safety and good demographics, those places are excellent.

2017-10-10 21:30:40 UTC  

Coeur D'Alene has a population of about 50,000 and is close to Spokane, so it's not too isolated from the conveniences of civilization, Moscow further south is about half that and is a different ecology (high plains). We need to define our goals... do we want to "take over" a town? Or do we want to participate as a vocal minority in the politics?

2017-10-10 21:31:23 UTC  

Do we want to buy one big patch of land together and start a "commune" lol.... there was this "Citadel" project that kinda fell flat

2017-10-10 21:31:37 UTC  

vocal minority

2017-10-10 21:32:04 UTC  

I think it would be better if we just made a general push to move to a specific town and the surrounding areas, and focused on making that town /our place/

2017-10-10 21:32:26 UTC  

taking anything over is unfeasable, and bth im not really intereseted in living around only other /pol/lacks

2017-10-10 21:32:45 UTC  

yeah I know what you mean

2017-10-10 21:33:06 UTC  

its a recipe for a failed state

2017-10-10 21:33:08 UTC  

in that case I submit Coeur D'Alene or Sandpoint as my suggestion

2017-10-10 21:33:55 UTC  

Sandpoint has 8000 residents, and an older population than Coeur D'Alene

2017-10-10 21:34:18 UTC  

I have 4 kids, one of the big things for me is to find a place where there are other young families

2017-10-10 21:34:21 UTC  

ive looked around Coeur D'Alene before, it looks like its mostly mountains, is there enough arable land there?

2017-10-10 21:34:37 UTC  

Yes, there's enough to work with for personal gardening