Message from @rilath

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2017-10-22 17:09:58 UTC  

Will there be a form of government or will decisions be made on a community level and like town halls and stuff?

2017-10-22 17:12:37 UTC  

That will depend on those who settle there, I would say the best way to start is to just make some private organization like a church that guides the members

2017-10-22 17:50:56 UTC  

I prefer that idea, Orchid

2017-10-22 17:51:05 UTC  

Less likely to upset the fed

2017-10-22 17:51:22 UTC  

I lot of groups do something similar

2017-10-22 19:49:09 UTC  

@rilath Natural obstacles are also important IMO

2017-10-22 19:49:34 UTC  

Good climate

2017-10-22 19:49:39 UTC  

like rivers and mountains?

2017-10-22 19:49:46 UTC  

yes

2017-10-22 19:49:50 UTC  

lakes, ect

2017-10-22 19:50:35 UTC  

Even forests can be a decent barrier

2017-10-22 19:50:43 UTC  

from what I seen, land prices in WA and OR can get pretty high, meanwhile places like Idaho have some very cheap land. The trade off is that the climate is harsher and therefore the growing season is shorther

2017-10-22 19:52:39 UTC  

that is true

2017-10-22 19:53:21 UTC  

Idaho is also comfortably red

2017-10-22 19:54:01 UTC  

And I'm not talking about indians

2017-10-22 19:55:14 UTC  

lol

2017-10-22 20:37:21 UTC  

What do you guys think is a reasonable price? Also keep in mind in eastern Oregon/eastern Washington and 90% of Idaho is sage brush wasteland

2017-10-22 20:37:27 UTC  

No trees

2017-10-22 20:37:34 UTC  

It is an eye sore imo

2017-10-22 20:37:38 UTC  

i agree

2017-10-22 20:38:02 UTC  

we need trees, we have to have lumber for our buildings, firewood and anything else we need

2017-10-22 20:39:25 UTC  

i would say around $5k per acre

2017-10-22 20:39:38 UTC  

you wouldnt want to cut down wood on your own property because those trees are 20 plus years old and all you need is a couple of 2x4s

2017-10-22 20:40:03 UTC  

the tree is worth more as a part of the land and protection

2017-10-22 20:42:23 UTC  

as far as price per acre i think its more important to look at density and plan how many people can one day live on that piece of land and deciding from there on the land

2017-10-22 20:43:05 UTC  

well we could ride out to the outskirts of our land to gather our firewood

2017-10-22 20:43:45 UTC  

so youd log land that cost lets say 2-5k per acre making it worthless to get wood for building

2017-10-22 20:44:13 UTC  

instead of buying logs from a logger that will not be deveolping his land

2017-10-22 20:45:12 UTC  

as far as firewood you can collect fallen trees in national forests and BLM land which will likely be near by..its a lot of work however

2017-10-22 21:03:32 UTC  

one of the reasons i am against logging out own property is because logging is a pure white man's honest living in the US and they know way more than i ever could hope to and we should support these people and they will proviude necessary services for us better than we could for ourselves

2017-10-22 21:08:22 UTC  

i can see that, that's a good reason

2017-10-22 21:10:18 UTC  

there is alot that we can get from the outside and support wholly white owned enterprises that have been in the family for generations type...basically all building materials are this way im from a diverse area yet the lumberyards all staff white people whereas big places like home depot are very hit and miss

2017-10-22 21:11:40 UTC  

there are also many ways to barter with these people...they probably wont be great with computers or even finances so we would have people that could help modernize their businesses or do their taxes etc. and receive a similar benefit on the products we need

2017-10-22 21:12:31 UTC  

anything tech I could do, that's my specialty

2017-10-22 21:13:49 UTC  

exactly there are a lot like you im just spit balling ...not really my specialty but you get the ideajust simple side jobs that would strengthen our suppliers and the community

2017-10-22 21:17:34 UTC  

that sounds good, I like that

2017-10-23 00:51:36 UTC  

For firewood look into setting up coppice and pollards for your trees.

2017-10-23 00:51:43 UTC  

endless firewood without killing the trees

2017-10-23 00:53:18 UTC  

Grow it out a little older and you can likely get some good fence posts out of them

2017-10-23 01:12:36 UTC  

Does anyone know the legality of having 1 person buy land, 10 acres for example, establishing a main road, then having a community of people all build several houses together, then selling each house with a small bit of land to each family/person, but it being surrounded by the 1st guys property? Sorry if it doesnt make sense.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363749894802112513/371828222146641920/houses.png

2017-10-23 01:14:48 UTC  

Well, for a sustainable permaculture a family of 8 needs 5 acres