Message from @MKUltra

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2017-09-29 06:31:26 UTC  

That may be

2017-09-29 06:31:53 UTC  

No, just the pecentage of people that self identify on census and surveys and such.

2017-09-29 06:32:11 UTC  

Hmm

2017-09-29 06:32:44 UTC  

Maybe it was just a certain age group.

2017-09-29 06:32:49 UTC  

Or demographic.

2017-09-29 06:33:02 UTC  

Maybe because of the immigrants

2017-09-29 06:33:29 UTC  

There are a lot of credulous people out there.

2017-09-29 06:34:57 UTC  

And even with all the progress that been made in science, the vast majority of Americans are still religious.

2017-09-29 06:35:17 UTC  

And a good percentage of those I would consider "devout".

2017-09-29 06:35:22 UTC  

Yes, but they are becoming more secular.

2017-09-29 06:35:36 UTC  

So it's far from obvious that it's a natural position to hold.

2017-09-29 06:35:50 UTC  

It does not happen that fast, it takes a few generations.

2017-09-29 06:37:29 UTC  

There's something about the ideal of god, an entity that represents all of society's most revered traits and ethics, that seems almost necessary for a society to function.

2017-09-29 06:37:29 UTC  

I gtg

2017-09-29 06:37:48 UTC  

Ill read it later

2017-09-29 06:37:52 UTC  

Have a good evening. Gotta drive to the airport in a couple hours so I'm staying up.

2017-09-29 17:04:40 UTC  

>What I‘m saying is that people naturally drive towards atheism, because it makes more sense.
Literally questioned you and you cannot defend any of your belief. You are still parroting it.
>My son, you are adult now! Will you chose to use knowledge research and intelligence to further your belief? Or will you be an autistic screaching dogmatist?
....
REEEEEEE My belief is logical. Christianity is declining because they are stupid dark age religion... Hurr Durrr -- @P14

2017-09-29 17:05:17 UTC  

>The problem is that religion is not sustainable in the long term, because people will see through the lies
You cannot defend any of your belief.

2017-09-29 17:09:44 UTC  

Kek

2017-09-29 17:11:33 UTC  

..... P14 is typing

2017-09-29 17:17:27 UTC  

The "because it makes more sense" regarded the existence of god.
You say I am parroting things, I dont know why you are assuming that, what I said was my personal opinion.
You say I cannot defend any of my belief. I dont know what you are referring to.
I never said christianity as a whole is stupid and I dont think that "imitating" me in order to make fun of my views is the way to adulthood (">My son, you are adult now! [...] REEEEEEE My belief is logical. Christianity is declining because they are stupid dark age religion... Hurr Durrr -- ").
Indeed it seems to be immature at best.
Then you repeated that I cannot defend my beliefs, I dont know where you're getting this from.
I want to reassure you, that I will take a closer look at christianity and its philosophy, especially looking at the connection between science and the religion.
You will probably recognize that this will take some time.

My point was that independently of all that, christianity gives you a weak mindset. You can point to all the occasions in history when it was supposed to be "strong", but modern Christians are rather weak.

2017-09-29 17:18:40 UTC  

>people will see through the lies
>atheism, because it makes more sense.

2017-09-29 17:19:42 UTC  

@P14 Remember when we debated yesterday?
Or are you pretending that didn't happen. Well, if I humiliated that badly then I probably would pretend it didn't happen too.

2017-09-29 17:20:10 UTC  

>Moderninity

2017-09-29 17:20:21 UTC  

Who is strong in moderninity?

2017-09-29 17:20:33 UTC  

The US military is strong

2017-09-29 17:20:47 UTC  

The VDV I imagine is strong

2017-09-29 17:22:38 UTC  

We did debate, no doubt about it, but the debate fell rather short, because you have a different view on history than I do. I was willing to accept that my view as it was being tought in school, TV, etc. may not be correct and I said that I would go ahead and research it.

2017-09-29 17:24:01 UTC  

We also debated on the existence of God. I believe you were there for that.

2017-09-29 17:24:07 UTC  

No

2017-09-29 17:24:10 UTC  

I was not

2017-09-29 17:24:25 UTC  

I think you started on that when I left

2017-09-29 17:24:45 UTC  

I'm not quite sure I believe that but for now I'll operate under such an assumption. It doesn't give much benefit at this point.

2017-09-29 17:24:58 UTC  

Do you not remember godel's ontological arguement?

2017-09-29 17:25:18 UTC  

I have heard of it, but I dont remember you explaining it.

2017-09-29 17:25:58 UTC  

I actually opened the pdf a view hours ago.

2017-09-29 17:26:13 UTC  

Are the formulas part of formal logic?

2017-09-29 17:31:57 UTC  

Yes, it was writen by Kurt Godel, a Doctorate in mathematic? logic.

2017-09-29 17:32:34 UTC  

Do I need to understand formal logic in order to understand the argument correctly? I guess not?

2017-09-29 17:32:38 UTC  

Yes