Message from @MKUltra
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Yes, but they are becoming more secular.
So it's far from obvious that it's a natural position to hold.
It does not happen that fast, it takes a few generations.
There's something about the ideal of god, an entity that represents all of society's most revered traits and ethics, that seems almost necessary for a society to function.
I gtg
Ill read it later
Have a good evening. Gotta drive to the airport in a couple hours so I'm staying up.
>What I‘m saying is that people naturally drive towards atheism, because it makes more sense.
Literally questioned you and you cannot defend any of your belief. You are still parroting it.
>My son, you are adult now! Will you chose to use knowledge research and intelligence to further your belief? Or will you be an autistic screaching dogmatist?
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REEEEEEE My belief is logical. Christianity is declining because they are stupid dark age religion... Hurr Durrr -- @P14
>The problem is that religion is not sustainable in the long term, because people will see through the lies
You cannot defend any of your belief.
Kek
..... P14 is typing
The "because it makes more sense" regarded the existence of god.
You say I am parroting things, I dont know why you are assuming that, what I said was my personal opinion.
You say I cannot defend any of my belief. I dont know what you are referring to.
I never said christianity as a whole is stupid and I dont think that "imitating" me in order to make fun of my views is the way to adulthood (">My son, you are adult now! [...] REEEEEEE My belief is logical. Christianity is declining because they are stupid dark age religion... Hurr Durrr -- ").
Indeed it seems to be immature at best.
Then you repeated that I cannot defend my beliefs, I dont know where you're getting this from.
I want to reassure you, that I will take a closer look at christianity and its philosophy, especially looking at the connection between science and the religion.
You will probably recognize that this will take some time.
My point was that independently of all that, christianity gives you a weak mindset. You can point to all the occasions in history when it was supposed to be "strong", but modern Christians are rather weak.
>people will see through the lies
>atheism, because it makes more sense.
@P14 Remember when we debated yesterday?
Or are you pretending that didn't happen. Well, if I humiliated that badly then I probably would pretend it didn't happen too.
>Moderninity
Who is strong in moderninity?
The US military is strong
The VDV I imagine is strong
We did debate, no doubt about it, but the debate fell rather short, because you have a different view on history than I do. I was willing to accept that my view as it was being tought in school, TV, etc. may not be correct and I said that I would go ahead and research it.
No
I was not
I think you started on that when I left
I'm not quite sure I believe that but for now I'll operate under such an assumption. It doesn't give much benefit at this point.
Do you not remember godel's ontological arguement?
I have heard of it, but I dont remember you explaining it.
I actually opened the pdf a view hours ago.
Are the formulas part of formal logic?
Yes, it was writen by Kurt Godel, a Doctorate in mathematic? logic.
Do I need to understand formal logic in order to understand the argument correctly? I guess not?
Yes
You will.
I chose that one because it was verified by an automated theorem prover.
A program designed to show if a theorem is valid or not.
The simplest one, although not simple, is the Anselm Ontological.
Cosmological arguements are easier to swallow.
Do you want to VC?
Sure
im gonna leave you two to it
Euthyphro