Message from @neetkthx

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2017-10-01 18:52:58 UTC  

t. farmers son, for what its worth

2017-10-01 19:55:33 UTC  

@neetkthx
Wouldn't it be ideal for a community to exist and each family/person specialize is growing their own thing instead of everything diversifying like crazy on their own plots

2017-10-01 19:55:56 UTC  

I mean that would help foster growth for an economy within our hypothetical homestead community too so

2017-10-01 19:58:06 UTC  

Here's a good infograph for what you can do with what kind of achreage.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359504430569095168/364138930075074580/1436229674725.jpg

2017-10-01 19:59:19 UTC  

@nERO I imagine that will happen naturally, people do what theyre best at and trade for the rest

2017-10-01 19:59:36 UTC  

or do whatever is the most profitable

2017-10-01 20:07:34 UTC  

thats a really good graphic cdemir

2017-10-01 20:33:38 UTC  

nero, yeah, basically in small farming communities it breaks out like that, if we arent talking about going full luddite or assuming that america falls apart tomorrow, most folks can get by with a victory garden that produces the interesting parts of their meals, while your full time farmers will grow staple crops/ranch animals/manage orchards

2017-10-01 20:34:59 UTC  

most broadleaf salad greens grow fast and expire/bolt quickly, so everyone growing spinach is silly

2017-10-01 20:35:32 UTC  

with things like tomatoes/squash/cukes, you are looking at canning/pickling to preserve them

2017-10-01 20:36:32 UTC  

taters are conditionable, beans/corn are dryable, wheat is storable, but you need an exponential amount of land for those

2017-10-01 20:37:48 UTC  

a lot of these infogormphics assume that you're just going to grow what you eat now, ie a shitload of corn and wheat

2017-10-01 20:39:54 UTC  

even living a 'simpler' life, you'd probably have a half acre at best of farmed land, some chickens in a chicken tractor, and you'd supliment your diet with weekly visits to the farmers market to sell your excess/socialize with people

2017-10-01 20:42:10 UTC  

i dont particularly ascribe to the 'build a huwhite community in the wilderness and relearn how to make the wheel' ideal that tends to get thrown around

2017-10-01 20:42:34 UTC  

yeah were not doing that

2017-10-01 20:42:47 UTC  

a few people seemed to want that but what they do is up to them

2017-10-01 20:43:04 UTC  

it might be the american in me, but damn if im more than a couple hours from a costco thats probably a no go

2017-10-01 20:43:05 UTC  

we just want a sustainable community

2017-10-01 20:43:39 UTC  

and this is coming from someone who has raised chickens from chick to processing

2017-10-01 20:43:55 UTC  

im unwilling to walk too far backwards

2017-10-01 20:44:54 UTC  

the urban farming stuff on the tubes is great info for what can be done on an acre, and what an acre actually looks like, curtis green is a hippie fuck, but he actually works his plots in most of his vids, and i think he's still under an acre total

2017-10-01 20:46:05 UTC  

whos curtis green, youtube search doesnt give me anything

2017-10-01 20:46:15 UTC  

curtis stone, excuse me

2017-10-01 20:46:29 UTC  

oh i saw his vids

2017-10-01 20:46:38 UTC  

understand that his business model preys on hipsters

2017-10-01 20:46:48 UTC  

but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city

2017-10-01 20:47:18 UTC  

he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption

2017-10-01 20:48:27 UTC  

you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec

2017-10-01 20:50:01 UTC  

they require a perpetual supply of chemical fertalizers though dont they?

2017-10-01 20:50:06 UTC  

haha nope

2017-10-01 20:50:13 UTC  

just compost?

2017-10-01 20:50:20 UTC  

their appeal is organic no-till

2017-10-01 20:50:53 UTC  

the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds

2017-10-01 20:51:03 UTC  

im pretty amazed they can make that much food

2017-10-01 20:51:30 UTC  

the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately

2017-10-01 20:52:23 UTC  

your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps

2017-10-01 20:52:46 UTC  

i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale

2017-10-01 20:53:28 UTC  

if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it

2017-10-01 20:53:53 UTC  

these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops

2017-10-01 20:54:59 UTC  

1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money

2017-10-01 20:56:41 UTC  

yeah and only so many people care about organic food