Message from @neetkthx

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2017-10-01 20:46:29 UTC  

oh i saw his vids

2017-10-01 20:46:38 UTC  

understand that his business model preys on hipsters

2017-10-01 20:46:48 UTC  

but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city

2017-10-01 20:47:18 UTC  

he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption

2017-10-01 20:48:27 UTC  

you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec

2017-10-01 20:50:01 UTC  

they require a perpetual supply of chemical fertalizers though dont they?

2017-10-01 20:50:06 UTC  

haha nope

2017-10-01 20:50:13 UTC  

just compost?

2017-10-01 20:50:20 UTC  

their appeal is organic no-till

2017-10-01 20:50:53 UTC  

the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds

2017-10-01 20:51:03 UTC  

im pretty amazed they can make that much food

2017-10-01 20:51:30 UTC  

the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately

2017-10-01 20:52:23 UTC  

your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps

2017-10-01 20:52:46 UTC  

i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale

2017-10-01 20:53:28 UTC  

if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it

2017-10-01 20:53:53 UTC  

these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops

2017-10-01 20:54:59 UTC  

1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money

2017-10-01 20:56:41 UTC  

yeah and only so many people care about organic food

2017-10-01 20:56:46 UTC  

right

2017-10-01 20:57:10 UTC  

and no one really cares about organic corn, or if farmer moneybags used a clean fert or not

2017-10-01 20:57:40 UTC  

chemical ferts arent satan, they're just really easy to use as a crutch

2017-10-01 20:57:44 UTC  

do you think soil erosion is a serious problem on a global scale?

2017-10-01 20:58:25 UTC  

i think that monocropping on a large scale is the underlying concern behind the increaing lack of arribility in US farmland

2017-10-01 20:59:00 UTC  

this falls back to a basically unsolvable governmental issue of farm subsidy

2017-10-01 20:59:46 UTC  

in life, once an easy solution to a problem has been implimented, you're never going to be able to take it away or go back to the hard solution

2017-10-01 21:00:20 UTC  

yeah that sums up a lot of our problems today

2017-10-01 21:00:45 UTC  

the corn subsidy ensures that we have X amount of corn every year, because fuck we eat a lot of corn products

2017-10-01 21:01:20 UTC  

however, we actually get X+Y every year, because that guarenteed money from the subsidy outprices and outcompetes large farms taking risks on other crops

2017-10-01 21:01:41 UTC  

so, how do you tell the guys producing Y to fuck off?

2017-10-01 21:01:44 UTC  

you cant

2017-10-01 21:01:53 UTC  

you cant choose who you subsidize

2017-10-01 21:02:02 UTC  

you are subsidising the crop, not the farmer

2017-10-01 21:02:18 UTC  

this is why there's corn ethanol in your gasoline btw

2017-10-01 21:02:31 UTC  

gotta do something with those doritos that werent

2017-10-01 21:02:45 UTC  

the farmers must be aware of the dangers of monocropping though, are they doing anything about it?

2017-10-01 21:02:57 UTC  

most farmers are up to their fucking eyeballs in debt

2017-10-01 21:03:06 UTC  

oh dang

2017-10-01 21:03:13 UTC  

all they CAN worry about is making payments

2017-10-01 21:03:36 UTC  

arent the farmers also the ones that demand subsities from their representatives?

2017-10-01 21:03:54 UTC  

well yeah, its gibs

2017-10-01 21:04:08 UTC  

but everyone wants gibs from their reps