Message from @Bellerophon

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2017-10-21 05:34:26 UTC  

Instead of welfare just have a community shelter and a soup kitchen inside

2017-10-21 05:34:39 UTC  

To get them back up on their feet if things go bad

2017-10-21 05:34:40 UTC  

the US had plenty of hungry people

2017-10-21 05:35:45 UTC  

I don't think anyone wants another gibsmedat society

2017-10-21 05:36:03 UTC  

@Orchid not as many as they do now

2017-10-21 05:36:17 UTC  

what if you have a family, are they just going to give up their life and live in a homeless shelter?

2017-10-21 05:37:06 UTC  

In traditional Western Societies it was Religious orders that filled the role of modern welfare

2017-10-21 05:37:17 UTC  

They also dealt with education and medicine

2017-10-21 05:37:42 UTC  

No, I wouldn't let it get to that, I'd make sure they were well set up so even in the case of my death they would still be alright

2017-10-21 05:38:09 UTC  

I know how to save

2017-10-21 05:38:24 UTC  

Also the US had far more hungry people in the past, there are very few people literally going hungry these days. Just look at the obesity rates among the poor

2017-10-21 05:39:18 UTC  

The poverty rate in the US right now is larger than the actual population of the US before welfare

2017-10-21 05:39:41 UTC  

modern poverty =/= hunger

2017-10-21 05:39:41 UTC  

But sure there are a lot of fattiea

2017-10-21 05:39:47 UTC  

Fatties*

2017-10-21 05:40:02 UTC  

Poverty is still poverty m8

2017-10-21 05:41:24 UTC  

Singapore has dealt with homless neets

2017-10-21 05:41:36 UTC  

It's literally illegal to be poor and unemployed there.

2017-10-21 05:42:12 UTC  

What system does Singapore use?

2017-10-21 05:43:20 UTC  

They put you in an apartment and give you a job- say sweeping streets

2017-10-21 05:43:31 UTC  

You have no option but to sweep the street.

2017-10-21 05:43:41 UTC  

If you don't they cane you

2017-10-21 05:43:57 UTC  

So now you have a job, and can pay for the apartment.

2017-10-21 05:45:17 UTC  

So how would we design that for the PNW colony?

2017-10-21 05:45:46 UTC  

Because it would be new and wouldn't have a lot of empty housing

2017-10-21 05:46:06 UTC  

why would we need that?

2017-10-21 05:46:08 UTC  

Also, for Singapore, they do have the Asian perception of honour and shame.

2017-10-21 05:46:31 UTC  

Which is much stronger than in Anglo culture today

2017-10-21 05:46:45 UTC  

welfare in the US is not a part of any municipality

2017-10-21 05:46:54 UTC  

but I guess we could run a charity

2017-10-21 05:47:02 UTC  

Charity is key

2017-10-21 05:47:14 UTC  

In Europe it was the Church that provided charity

2017-10-21 05:47:31 UTC  

That was one of the main purposes of monasteries.

2017-10-21 05:47:31 UTC  

Should we start a church?

2017-10-21 05:47:53 UTC  

And how do we stop the church from coming corrupt?

2017-10-21 05:47:56 UTC  

We dont have to, but we should look at how it provided social assistance.

2017-10-21 05:48:04 UTC  

That has been thought about, if we have enough people we probably will start a church

2017-10-21 05:48:40 UTC  

I think having a church in the future society would be fairly beneficial, especially for those of us who espouse faith

2017-10-21 05:49:02 UTC  

I've lived in rural close-knit christian communities before. Usually if a family has a problem, the rest of the community comes together and gets them out of it.

2017-10-21 05:49:15 UTC  

Think less religious worship and more community gathering I think

2017-10-21 05:49:24 UTC  

That family then feels an obligation to contribute in the future