Message from @Orchid

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2017-10-21 05:20:40 UTC  

@Orchid PNW sounds much better to me than Maine tbh, but I'll see how much I can help with both groups

2017-10-21 05:22:19 UTC  

to grow your own food you need land, and farming is a hard skill, it could take years for you to learn to feed yourself properly, and thats assuming youre young

2017-10-21 05:22:37 UTC  

same thing goes for the house, and you need tools and materials as well

2017-10-21 05:23:00 UTC  

Isn't Jason practically making an argument just for public schools

2017-10-21 05:23:31 UTC  

that is something people in those decrepit appalachian communities should conisder instead of being poor as dirt generation after generation. But what if say youre 40 and youre factory job is gone?

2017-10-21 05:24:22 UTC  

You'd hope by 40 you could have set yourself up

2017-10-21 05:25:06 UTC  

you cant expect a factory worker to have enough money to retire at 40, and sometimes shit just happens

2017-10-21 05:25:50 UTC  

I understand the need for compassion and humanity but I don't want the new society to end up like the old one, a welfare state

2017-10-21 05:25:53 UTC  

If he doesn't have enough money to retire, maybe he should learn a skill

2017-10-21 05:26:44 UTC  

thats not really a reason to not help people. I think there's a right way to do welfare, it doesnt always have to turn into what it is now

2017-10-21 05:27:22 UTC  

i mean any society can eventually deteorate, rise and fall of civilizations and all that.

2017-10-21 05:28:24 UTC  

Tax/welfare is state-run slavery, the most productive of the nation loses the most to give to the least productive for nothing in return

2017-10-21 05:30:59 UTC  

ugh, that hyperbole again. I guess thats easy to say if your young and live in a comfortable first would country. I don't mind handing over some money to not see people starve.

2017-10-21 05:31:34 UTC  

@JasonWilliams Wouldn't you just have a bunch of sick, homeless, starving people everywhere?

2017-10-21 05:33:52 UTC  

Welfare attracts those sorts of people and the US didn't use to have welfare yet it didn't have homeless and starving people everywhere either

2017-10-21 05:34:26 UTC  

Instead of welfare just have a community shelter and a soup kitchen inside

2017-10-21 05:34:39 UTC  

To get them back up on their feet if things go bad

2017-10-21 05:34:40 UTC  

the US had plenty of hungry people

2017-10-21 05:35:45 UTC  

I don't think anyone wants another gibsmedat society

2017-10-21 05:36:03 UTC  

@Orchid not as many as they do now

2017-10-21 05:36:17 UTC  

what if you have a family, are they just going to give up their life and live in a homeless shelter?

2017-10-21 05:37:06 UTC  

In traditional Western Societies it was Religious orders that filled the role of modern welfare

2017-10-21 05:37:17 UTC  

They also dealt with education and medicine

2017-10-21 05:37:42 UTC  

No, I wouldn't let it get to that, I'd make sure they were well set up so even in the case of my death they would still be alright

2017-10-21 05:38:09 UTC  

I know how to save

2017-10-21 05:38:24 UTC  

Also the US had far more hungry people in the past, there are very few people literally going hungry these days. Just look at the obesity rates among the poor

2017-10-21 05:39:18 UTC  

The poverty rate in the US right now is larger than the actual population of the US before welfare

2017-10-21 05:39:41 UTC  

modern poverty =/= hunger

2017-10-21 05:39:41 UTC  

But sure there are a lot of fattiea

2017-10-21 05:39:47 UTC  

Fatties*

2017-10-21 05:40:02 UTC  

Poverty is still poverty m8

2017-10-21 05:41:24 UTC  

Singapore has dealt with homless neets

2017-10-21 05:41:36 UTC  

It's literally illegal to be poor and unemployed there.

2017-10-21 05:42:12 UTC  

What system does Singapore use?

2017-10-21 05:43:20 UTC  

They put you in an apartment and give you a job- say sweeping streets

2017-10-21 05:43:31 UTC  

You have no option but to sweep the street.

2017-10-21 05:43:41 UTC  

If you don't they cane you

2017-10-21 05:43:57 UTC  

So now you have a job, and can pay for the apartment.

2017-10-21 05:45:17 UTC  

So how would we design that for the PNW colony?

2017-10-21 05:45:46 UTC  

Because it would be new and wouldn't have a lot of empty housing

2017-10-21 05:46:06 UTC  

why would we need that?