Message from @Orchid

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2017-10-21 05:04:25 UTC  

Then again, would the free market result in better safety nets than government provided ones?

2017-10-21 05:04:39 UTC  

Severance packages, money after being employed, etc.

2017-10-21 05:06:16 UTC  

why would a free market guarantee emplyees severance packages?

2017-10-21 05:07:21 UTC  

it wouldn't guarantee it but companies would make them more available in order to compete for employees

2017-10-21 05:09:26 UTC  

not much of a saftey net then, i can't imagine a place like Walmart offering severance, and they employ exactly the kinds of people most likely to need assistance

2017-10-21 05:10:09 UTC  

Yes, but safety nets influence people to not try as hard

2017-10-21 05:10:41 UTC  

If somebody was working at Walmart and all of a sudden got laid off, he's be more likely to find a new job, work harder, or get a real skill

2017-10-21 05:11:52 UTC  

What makes them more likely to find a new job, and what if they don't?

2017-10-21 05:12:17 UTC  

Having no money and nothing to rely on makes them more likely to find a new job obviously

2017-10-21 05:12:18 UTC  

you cant expect everyone to just solve all their problems by pulling up their bootstraps

2017-10-21 05:12:23 UTC  

2017-10-21 05:12:31 UTC  
2017-10-21 05:12:45 UTC  

alright, but what if you dont

2017-10-21 05:12:54 UTC  

What's this?

2017-10-21 05:12:55 UTC  

What if they don't find a job?

2017-10-21 05:13:06 UTC  

what if the economy sucks, or you're not in your 20s and learnign new things just isnt as easy anymore?

2017-10-21 05:13:27 UTC  

That's a good question. Perhaps private charity would better help these people than state-controlled welfare.

2017-10-21 05:13:30 UTC  

I'm not sure.

2017-10-21 05:13:58 UTC  

check the <#359432753474699274> and <#359517581276741644> , this is basically an ethnostate group

2017-10-21 05:14:14 UTC  

maybe

2017-10-21 05:14:30 UTC  

churches used to be in charge of those things

2017-10-21 05:14:41 UTC  

@Orchid just read the faq

2017-10-21 05:15:30 UTC  

Like the idea of an ethnostate, is this just a side group of the First Colony?

2017-10-21 05:15:31 UTC  

Perhaps welfare wouldn't be necessary in an ethnostate that doesn't have high-ass taxes, university subsidization raising the costs of tuition to largely exclude the bottom half of people, thus making it very difficult and expensive to learn a skill, etc.

2017-10-21 05:16:17 UTC  

@WOMP WOMP boi if people need welfare, then they are a burden not an asset

2017-10-21 05:16:35 UTC  

we would have to see. I understand that todays welfare systems just encourage people to be lazy, but those same things might not apply to a white country

2017-10-21 05:16:53 UTC  

"if people need welfare, then they are a burden not an asset"

2017-10-21 05:16:57 UTC  

That's largely true

2017-10-21 05:17:12 UTC  

yes they probably are a burden, but so what, dont you think we should still show humanity and take care of them?

2017-10-21 05:17:19 UTC  

^

2017-10-21 05:17:45 UTC  

Give them a job instead of free food

2017-10-21 05:17:55 UTC  

we are separate from first colony, were focused on the pacific north west

2017-10-21 05:17:59 UTC  

government jobs?

2017-10-21 05:18:13 UTC  

what if there are no jobs to give, or should the government just create jobs?

2017-10-21 05:19:51 UTC  

There is always a job, and if not they can just work for themselves. Teach them to grow their own food, teach them to build their own house. If they can do those things then there will be no need for welfare

2017-10-21 05:20:40 UTC  

@Orchid PNW sounds much better to me than Maine tbh, but I'll see how much I can help with both groups

2017-10-21 05:22:19 UTC  

to grow your own food you need land, and farming is a hard skill, it could take years for you to learn to feed yourself properly, and thats assuming youre young

2017-10-21 05:22:37 UTC  

same thing goes for the house, and you need tools and materials as well

2017-10-21 05:23:00 UTC  

Isn't Jason practically making an argument just for public schools

2017-10-21 05:23:31 UTC  

that is something people in those decrepit appalachian communities should conisder instead of being poor as dirt generation after generation. But what if say youre 40 and youre factory job is gone?

2017-10-21 05:24:22 UTC  

You'd hope by 40 you could have set yourself up