whats the ash for
Thought it would be fun but whatever man
@Bret You look classy and agent enough to be a leader, have you considered going to your local GOP meetings?
Saint Alexius looked homeless despite being incredibly wealthy. He chose to donate all of his belongings to the poor and any wealth which he obtained he spent it on them.
He lived under stairs that are now a relic in a chapel.
*there is little fault in the taking of a humble visage*
He definitely sounds like a saint to read up on
@Bret You look like ed sheeran with darker hair, as long as you look good in a suit youre fine
Mildly unrelated and probably belongs in <#402368135979859969> but I conquered Tunisia as the Papal States in EUIV. *satisfying as hell*
@Broseph bit late, but I'm sure Jesus says somewhere in the Bible that if you truly believe and pray anything you want will be given to you
No, not how it works. It’s not like a redemption system where you put in a prayer and you get out a miracle. Sometimes you get nothing in the temporary, sometimes God helps you out. Physical gifts should not be your motivation for worship
Doesn't matter though pretty sure what he said is true
@Broseph didn't ask for a physical gift I asked for spiritual guidance
I was referring to anything of this temporal world
I never get spiritual guidance
Can someone tell me where watchmaker theology starts and ends?
A defense of Lutheran Protestantism: Here's an important truth you'll hear us repeat over and over again. "Let Scripture interpret scripture." God's Word is in perfect agreement with itself (it's all God's Word) and will never contradict itself. That helps us whenever people want to use a stand-alone verse to claim something that is false. In order to stand confidently on an interpretation, the reader needs to find elsewhere in the Bible where the statement is confirmed/clarified. Human opinion, tradition, and speculation can be helpful, but they are not a substitute for God's Word. The only things we can know for certain are what God says in his Bible. So...
The Catholic church's assertion that Peter was the first Pope and that Jesus established the church through him and therefore is it is the church with sole and divine authority is not substantiated in Scripture anywhere. They point to a single place in the book of Matthew (16:13–20) to make this claim. 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”15 “But what about you?” [all the disciples] he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Even though Jesus was clearly addressing all of his disciples, Peter, as he so often did, jumped in to answer for everyone. And Jesus replies, "Peter, you are blessed to believe this truth that I am the Messiah" (vs 17). He's blessed because saving faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. In fact, Jesus goes on to say that "the only way anyone can even make this confession of faith and believe it is true is because the knowledge that Jesus is the Messiah and the faith to believe it is a God-given gift." The Bible makes these points countless times. (e.g. John 3:16; Mark 16:16; John 20:31; Romans 10:17; Galatians 2:20 and many more)
Then Jesus speaks the key phrase used by the Catholic Church to establish their point. "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church." There's something here in the Greek that is lost on us in the English translation. Jesus uses Peter's name, which in Greek is petros - a masculine noun that means loose rock or stone. But because Peter's name MEANS rock, Jesus uses a play on words to talk about the ROCK-solid confession Peter just made about Jesus being the Messiah. Since God knows what he's saying and Scripture is God's Word, it's always in perfect harmony with itself. That's why Jesus uses a DIFFERENT GREEK WORD to talk about the church so that we wouldn't get confused and think he was talking about Peter. He uses the word petra - a feminine noun that means rocky cliff, shelf or ledge of rock - "on this petra I will build my church." In language, those two words can't be connected or modifying each other in any way. They are different genders. There's simply no possible way to make what Jesus says about building his church also mean Peter.
It's a simple play on words. Maybe an example would be if you were talking to someone named Joe Baker as you were headed to the store to pick up a dessert for a party. With a wink and a smile you could say, "Hey BAKER, I'm off to pick up a cake from the BAKER!" (Sorry, it's lame but hopefully helps make the point!) Joe wouldn't be confused by what you're saying because he understands langauge. In Greek, people really wouldn't have been confused by what Jesus said because Jesus didn't even use the same word - used two DIFFERENT words!
The rock that the gates of Hades can't overcome is the rock-solid confession of faith that Peter just finished making - that Jesus is the Son of God and the one who God promised (Messiah) to rescue the world (vs16). See Jesus' point? He asked the disciples "who do people say I am" (vs 13) because it's the most important question in life. And his disciples all mention what people thought of Jesus, that he was a highly esteemed and respected prophet. But that's not good enough for Jesus because believing that he's good and a prophet, doesn't mean that people believe he is their Savior from sin. Only believing that Jesus is the Savior is what actually saves people. (He even once told the story of a wise man who builds his house upon the rock (petra) and his house doesn't collapse - see Matthew 7:24.)
So, people who believe the same thing that Peter confessed to believe will be saved. That's why Jesus goes on to say, "on this rock I will build my church." His church isn't an institution or building. The Bible says many times that Jesus' church is made up of PEOPLE - all the people who believe that he is the Savior. In fact, he calls all of the people who make up his church "living stones (rocks) built together into a spiritual house" (1 Peter 2:4-5).
That's what builds Jesus' church. People sharing, studying, and growing in their faith about Jesus. That's the church that Jesus established on this earth. That's the goal Jesus had is saying "I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whatever you bind on earth...etc (vs 19). Heaven is closed to sinful people - it's locked. The only key that opens the doors of heaven to people is the beautiful message that our sin (the thing that has closed heaven) has been removed. Jesus carried our sins to the cross, received the punishment we deserved for them, and rose again to prove his and our innocence. Everytime we share that "good news" message with someone and they believe it, their sin is gone and heaven swings open for one more person.
There's so much more to be said here about those keys, but I'm out of time. I think the only other verse the Catholic church uses is John 21 where Jesus asks Peter to feed his sheep. Again, nothing about setting Peter up as the Pope or the head of the church, but simply restoring Peter after he had denied even knowing Jesus three times.
--- Pastor from a WELS Lutheran church
This entire wall of text falls apart under the slightest scrutiny
The original spoken language of Matthew 16:13 was Aramaic, not Greek. There was no masculine or feminine, just *Kepha.*
And in the Greek translation, *Petros* and *Petra* had the same meaning. They just used *Petros* for Peter's name because *Petra* was the common word at the time but would have been improper for Peter's name.
Luther was wise in his observation of the error and corruption of the church, but his following actions would fracture it causing what we have to day, a broken liturgical mess that won't be cleaned up without a massive catastrophe or miracle.
So what is the Catholic teaching regarding salvation? How are people saved in Catholicism?
Through the grace of, and subsequent faith in God. As well as repentance for any truly mortal sin.
If you don't go to the Catholic church or confess to a priest, can you still be saved, according to Catholicism?
Yes faith is what saves you
The concept is that dying in a state or mortal sin puts you in jeopardy but I dont think the church says for certain what happens
The biggest problem I find that many outside of the Catholic church have/had (including myself) aside from modern corruptions, is simply the fact that it seems too rigorous.
Now as it pertains tot he history of the church,
it has fought long and hard to reduce rigor,