Message from @Thomas

Discord ID: 413953231841001472


2018-02-16 05:57:00 UTC  

The original spoken language of Matthew 16:13 was Aramaic, not Greek. There was no masculine or feminine, just *Kepha.*

2018-02-16 06:00:56 UTC  

And in the Greek translation, *Petros* and *Petra* had the same meaning. They just used *Petros* for Peter's name because *Petra* was the common word at the time but would have been improper for Peter's name.

2018-02-16 06:01:38 UTC  

Luther was wise in his observation of the error and corruption of the church, but his following actions would fracture it causing what we have to day, a broken liturgical mess that won't be cleaned up without a massive catastrophe or miracle.

2018-02-16 06:54:58 UTC  

So what is the Catholic teaching regarding salvation? How are people saved in Catholicism?

2018-02-16 06:55:45 UTC  

Through the grace of, and subsequent faith in God. As well as repentance for any truly mortal sin.

2018-02-16 06:56:43 UTC  

If you don't go to the Catholic church or confess to a priest, can you still be saved, according to Catholicism?

2018-02-16 06:57:33 UTC  

Yes faith is what saves you

2018-02-16 06:57:36 UTC  

The concept is that dying in a state or mortal sin puts you in jeopardy but I dont think the church says for certain what happens

2018-02-16 06:59:33 UTC  

The biggest problem I find that many outside of the Catholic church have/had (including myself) aside from modern corruptions, is simply the fact that it seems too rigorous.

2018-02-16 06:59:43 UTC  

Now as it pertains tot he history of the church,

2018-02-16 06:59:50 UTC  

it has fought long and hard to reduce rigor,

2018-02-16 06:59:57 UTC  

but it does not go by faith alone.

2018-02-16 07:00:10 UTC  

For many centuries it had to safeguard doctrine from all sorts of heresies.

2018-02-16 07:00:19 UTC  

Of course it's not only faith

2018-02-16 07:00:37 UTC  

But if you lead a good life and have faith you will be saved

2018-02-16 07:00:44 UTC  

Even if you're not in church

2018-02-16 07:00:52 UTC  

Many would-be popes attempted rigorousness only as a means of gate keeping because they did not win the papacy.

2018-02-16 07:01:42 UTC  

According to Wels Lutheran salvation is a gift from God freely given and if we have faith and accept the gift it is ours. Doing good works is our thanks for the gift of salvation, but works won't save us, according to the Lutheran doctrine.

2018-02-16 07:02:13 UTC  

Correct, but again, *not works, nor faith, alone*

2018-02-16 07:02:18 UTC  

the keyword being alone,

2018-02-16 07:02:21 UTC  

it takes both.

2018-02-16 07:02:33 UTC  

And in order to be a decent Christian, you must do both.

2018-02-16 07:03:27 UTC  

As I was about to say, it is a rather large criticism of the church that it does too many earthly works and not enough spiritual, or that it lacks personal connection with God.

2018-02-16 07:03:39 UTC  

A personal connection is entirely up to the person worshipping.

2018-02-16 07:03:45 UTC  

The church is there to act as an authority,

2018-02-16 07:03:49 UTC  

a governing body.

2018-02-16 07:04:05 UTC  

It is no fault of theirs if a man turns away from God, if a man does not pursue him.

2018-02-16 07:04:27 UTC  

It is their duty to bring them to God, but what might they do if they're simply rebuffed?

2018-02-16 07:05:03 UTC  

The majority of rigor, and legalism as well as long held tradition within the church, is to prevent such a thing from happening.

2018-02-16 07:05:17 UTC  

The ceremonies, the sacraments, the traditions,

2018-02-16 07:05:54 UTC  

they must be actively pursued in order to help cultivate not only the idea, but in this earthly prison of ours, *a visage* of Christ.

2018-02-16 07:06:56 UTC  

Protestantism seems nice, it seems good, and to a large degree it is within the traditions of northern Europeans, as well as Americans to partake in it. However we have seen the subsequent death of our own spirituality,

2018-02-16 07:07:07 UTC  

and protestants themselves have fallen to chaos,

2018-02-16 07:07:13 UTC  

and they have become mild.

2018-02-16 07:07:54 UTC  

There was a poem written by a man where Christ comes back, and is in a Victorian era city,

2018-02-16 07:08:05 UTC  

and he was so overcome with woe at the lack of spirituality,

2018-02-16 07:08:11 UTC  

that he longed to die and suffer again.

2018-02-16 07:08:16 UTC  

I think we're there today.

2018-02-16 07:08:36 UTC  

And I think the Catholic faith is the only means of saving us from such a miserable existence.

2018-02-16 07:09:59 UTC  

I am going to a Wels Lutheran church because they are traditional. They don't even allow women preachers or women in any authority at all, LOL. The preachers have to go to 8 years of college and learn Hebrew and Greek. They work to stay true to the word. I grew up in the Southern Baptist and that is literally like a pop up church - the worst of protestantism. I don't think they even have to be formally educated to start a baptist church.

2018-02-16 07:10:30 UTC  

Yes that sounds significantly better than most.