Message from @Thomas

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2018-02-25 15:55:33 UTC  

;(((

2018-02-25 16:03:35 UTC  

i went on saturday with whole family and my god children as opposed to poorly prepared breadpill very weak not a good look sad

2018-02-25 16:12:10 UTC  

He's right sadly

2018-02-25 16:12:38 UTC  

saturday mass was nice preist talked about how communists destroyed his mothers and fathers churches in eastern europe

2018-02-25 19:42:48 UTC  

Fellas remember to pray for our brothers in faith in the Holy Land

2018-02-25 21:09:33 UTC  

This should wake up some American Christian Zionists, yeah?

2018-02-25 21:18:08 UTC  

CHURCH IS COOL

2018-02-26 06:38:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358813795287041/417571009818787842/1337_kitty.jpg

2018-02-26 09:22:35 UTC  

No art channel so this will suffice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402358813795287041/417612400884449280/image.jpg

2018-02-26 09:22:48 UTC  

Saw a lot of great art at the gallery of art in DC

2018-02-26 09:22:55 UTC  

Really want to go back sometime

2018-02-26 09:23:15 UTC  

The beauty of western civilization was on full display there

2018-02-26 12:01:48 UTC  

Going through a tough time rn, would appreciate your prayers

2018-02-26 16:52:13 UTC  

@Broseph have you ever been to the Metropolitan museum of art in New York? Lots of amazing stuff there

2018-02-26 19:29:34 UTC  

@NickTheGreek no never been. Not a huge fan of art but the national gallery of art really moved me

2018-02-27 00:47:51 UTC  

@Broseph i was skeptical of at first (((metropolitan))), but they actually have a lot of old Greek and roman statues and artifacts and medieval armor

2018-02-27 00:48:09 UTC  

not to mention they do have a lot of amazing paintings as well

2018-02-27 00:50:19 UTC  

Very nice. I’ll go if ever up in NY

2018-02-27 04:27:53 UTC  

I have a hard time coming to Catholicism. I want to but it seems like it's on a one way course to hell.

2018-02-27 04:28:10 UTC  

Not only that but it flies in the face of American heritage.

2018-02-27 09:07:23 UTC  
2018-02-27 10:08:46 UTC  

Faith and God have to be in the first place, big guy otherwise its better to be an atheist. If you put your identity, your job, your leader(s) or anyting else before God its idolatry.

2018-02-27 10:49:40 UTC  

@Thomas
First of all, I will say that the human element of the Catholic Church is without a doubt currently at its lowest, weakest point in the last two millenia since the time of Christ. Anybody who converts to the True Faith at this point in time, given the unprecedented circumstances, is already practically a saint. This crisis is not without precedent or forwarning, St. Athanasius is a great example of a man who heroically fought the Church establishment during the time of the Arian heresy and guilded a faithful remnant through the dark time. In addition, many saints and visionaries warned that such an event would occur, for example St. Francis of Assisi:

2018-02-27 10:49:54 UTC  

*1. "The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.
2. The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.
3. Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.
4. There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.*

2018-02-27 10:50:04 UTC  

*5. Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
6. Those who preserve in their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.
7. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer."*

2018-02-27 10:51:42 UTC  

As for the Church vs. American heritage, one was founded by Christ Himself while the other was founded on liberal enlightenment values. Culturally and spiritually, Christendom peaked long before America came along. While we should love our country and make it the best we can, we should not fall for the boomer-tier meme that America was the best thing that ever happened in human history. That being said, there is plenty of Catholic history in the Americas that we can look to for foundations and guidance.

2018-02-27 11:11:25 UTC  

Even in the New Testament you can find warnings about heresies and other schisms. The one that describes the best imo, the rise of protestantism and the problems linked with it, is Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?"

2018-02-27 11:30:34 UTC  

Luther did point out serious problems within the Church, as we should all as Catholics point out problems within our community, but we have to remain faithful to the Church that was instituted by Jesus Christ himself at all cost. We can easily see the terrible consequences of Luther's reform today: the incredible division of christian communities ie. mormons, evangelicals, baptists, 7th day adventist etc.... many of these communities allowing the most outrageaous things (abortion, gay marriage, ...) Above all, protestantism does not recognize the most important thing that Jesus has established at the last supper which is the Eucharist and the transubstantation: Then he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19). This is repeated in all of Gospels but Christ makes it very clear in Saint John's Gospel: "52 Then the Jews started arguing among themselves, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?'

53 Jesus replied to them: In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

54 Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person up on the last day.

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in that person.

57 As the living Father sent me and I draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will also draw life from me.

58 This is the bread which has come down from heaven; it is not like the bread our ancestors ate: they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live for ever.

59 This is what he taught at Capernaum in the synagogue.

2018-02-27 11:31:05 UTC  

(John 6:52-59)

2018-02-27 19:05:52 UTC  

@Nicholas István We were founded on the principle of Protestantism and freedom of religion, furthermore, such a faith dictates that the founders of my country, a thing that by my own moral obligation I am in essence required to love, are in hell. Along with all of my ancestors who came here. I do not want to put anything before God, but rather I want to find the best means to honor him, and as of these last five hundred years I've not many ideas as to how we would go about such a thing with the options we have. Not only that but I see the creeds which are attracted to Catholicism and which have stuck with it traditionally, and of them the only admirable ones I can find are the Southern Germans, the Western Slavs, the Celtic peoples, and perhaps the French and Italians.

These make up an insignificant minority in contrast to those other people who compose it's faithful ranks. This is again where another conflict comes to mind. Many of the supposed theological conclusions of the church aren't derived from the bible. I believe much of it, but something like purgatory isn't directly mentioned at all. I'm inclined to believe such a thing but I am unsure.

2018-02-27 20:07:27 UTC  

@Thomas "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

2018-02-27 20:09:35 UTC  

Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily.

2018-02-27 20:33:22 UTC  

@IAmHiding good shit

2018-02-27 20:33:31 UTC  

makes me like the catholic theology over orthodox

2018-03-01 02:58:57 UTC  

@here MEDITATE ON HELL

2018-03-01 07:12:22 UTC  

In the Catholic faith would the founders of America be damned to hell? @here

2018-03-01 11:22:42 UTC  

Yea

2018-03-01 11:23:00 UTC  

Most likely, as none of them were catholics and they were masons

2018-03-01 11:23:30 UTC  

you can never know for sure though