Well it depends on where their loyalties rest, do they denounce the foundation of the country in favor of their faith? (As any devout man ought to)

Simple question, Is a devout Catholic an american

A catholic who is not a hypocrit

or rather CAN a devout catholic be an american*

That is solely dependent on what they truly believe. Do they believe that the US is contrary to Catholic belief, or do they embrace the heresy upon which we were founded?

Naturally they would reject the heresy.

Then no I don't think they would.

They'd be something different.

So all the italians and poles and czechs that have lived in the north for 100's of years were never really americans?

Well, if they keep their culture with them, and renounce the founding of the country which they come to,

then no.

They weren't.

In the same light that the Bantu in Rhodesia were never really and truly British.

Or the Iroquois with their treaties.

Man you are really making me want to hear an awnser to this question from nick tbh

Its a hard question.

It scares me, if I'm honest.

The concept of going against something which my bloodline was so tied to is horrific to me.

Hey if it makes you feel any better, my Father was disowned by my grandfather who was a communist

So I sort of understand.

I think there's a mild difference there.

In that communists are more or less rootless.

Your grandfather was essentially a traitor towards his culture and people with such ideas. A violation of his ancestry and traditions.

Your father returned (presumably) to what it meant to be a part of that culture.

He did.

Im not sure if im missing something here but are you essentially saying why support the US if it went against catholic ideals in its founding?

Yes.

Our fundamental idea as to what it means to be American,

is

for lack of a better description

a heresy.

Ah ok yeah i agree it was and it sucks but realistically the only thing we can do not aside from creating a new country is try to make the Catholic religion dominant in this country

@Nicholas J Fuentes Nick buddy, I'm having a pretty desperate time here, man.

Please, please find some way around this.

Well folks. It would appear I'm no longer wanted here. I'm fairly sure I'll be converting to Catholicism soon. I wish you all well, and I hope you continue to put America First. God bless. Soon as I get money coming in I'll pledge on Maker Support (Makersupport?) Good night!

Thomas come on dude

Don't leave

wtf happened?

@Thomas#5737 what's going on big guy?

If not subjecting one's government to the authority of the pope is a heresy, I'd like to know the precise doctrine that states that Christians must subject their government to the pope. And I'd like to know the name of the heresy, and which ecumenical council decided this.

Catholic regionalism