Message from @Thomas

Discord ID: 426534389556576257


2018-03-23 00:10:43 UTC  

I desperately want an answer.

2018-03-23 00:11:22 UTC  

I mean I can tell you that It is viewed as a good thing in the Church to be a patriot

2018-03-23 00:11:30 UTC  

Well it's not a matter of fact that there's ever been a perfectly Catholic country, rather that our country was founded on a neutral type of secular Christianity. A non-denominational type of belief. @🎭🎵

2018-03-23 00:11:36 UTC  

It is good to love the country you were born in, because God placed you there for a reason

2018-03-23 00:11:43 UTC  

weather it is a heretical one or not.

2018-03-23 00:11:46 UTC  

Well why be a patriot of a country which goes again God?

2018-03-23 00:12:28 UTC  

I mean, at least in modernity, we essentially live in a massive Sodom and Gamorrah.

2018-03-23 00:12:29 UTC  

A true Patriot would want to fix his country so that is it inline with Gods commandments

2018-03-23 00:12:39 UTC  

Thats the whole west TBH

2018-03-23 00:12:41 UTC  

Then would we still be our country?

2018-03-23 00:13:07 UTC  

Idk would you consider Catholic americans american?

2018-03-23 00:13:21 UTC  

I mean honestly our race comes first and the church is a very powerful when unified

2018-03-23 00:13:28 UTC  

yee

2018-03-23 00:13:38 UTC  

Well it depends on where their loyalties rest, do they denounce the foundation of the country in favor of their faith? (As any devout man ought to)

2018-03-23 00:14:14 UTC  

Simple question, Is a devout Catholic an american

2018-03-23 00:14:21 UTC  

A catholic who is not a hypocrit

2018-03-23 00:14:34 UTC  

or rather CAN a devout catholic be an american*

2018-03-23 00:14:45 UTC  

That is solely dependent on what they truly believe. Do they believe that the US is contrary to Catholic belief, or do they embrace the heresy upon which we were founded?

2018-03-23 00:15:08 UTC  

Naturally they would reject the heresy.

2018-03-23 00:15:17 UTC  

Then no I don't think they would.

2018-03-23 00:15:23 UTC  

They'd be something different.

2018-03-23 00:15:41 UTC  

So all the italians and poles and czechs that have lived in the north for 100's of years were never really americans?

2018-03-23 00:16:18 UTC  

Well, if they keep their culture with them, and renounce the founding of the country which they come to,

2018-03-23 00:16:21 UTC  

then no.

2018-03-23 00:16:23 UTC  

They weren't.

2018-03-23 00:16:38 UTC  

In the same light that the Bantu in Rhodesia were never really and truly British.

2018-03-23 00:16:47 UTC  

Or the Iroquois with their treaties.

2018-03-23 00:17:20 UTC  

Man you are really making me want to hear an awnser to this question from nick tbh

2018-03-23 00:17:33 UTC  

Its a hard question.

2018-03-23 00:17:37 UTC  

It scares me, if I'm honest.

2018-03-23 00:18:05 UTC  

The concept of going against something which my bloodline was so tied to is horrific to me.

2018-03-23 00:18:24 UTC  

Hey if it makes you feel any better, my Father was disowned by my grandfather who was a communist

2018-03-23 00:18:39 UTC  

So I sort of understand.

2018-03-23 00:18:59 UTC  

I think there's a mild difference there.

2018-03-23 00:19:09 UTC  

In that communists are more or less rootless.

2018-03-23 00:20:31 UTC  

Your grandfather was essentially a traitor towards his culture and people with such ideas. A violation of his ancestry and traditions.

2018-03-23 00:20:49 UTC  

Your father returned (presumably) to what it meant to be a part of that culture.

2018-03-23 00:21:39 UTC  

He did.

2018-03-23 00:25:55 UTC  

Im not sure if im missing something here but are you essentially saying why support the US if it went against catholic ideals in its founding?

2018-03-23 00:26:08 UTC  

Yes.

2018-03-23 00:26:23 UTC  

Our fundamental idea as to what it means to be American,