Message from @Thomas
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I desperately want an answer.
I mean I can tell you that It is viewed as a good thing in the Church to be a patriot
Well it's not a matter of fact that there's ever been a perfectly Catholic country, rather that our country was founded on a neutral type of secular Christianity. A non-denominational type of belief. @ðŸŽðŸŽµ
It is good to love the country you were born in, because God placed you there for a reason
weather it is a heretical one or not.
Well why be a patriot of a country which goes again God?
I mean, at least in modernity, we essentially live in a massive Sodom and Gamorrah.
A true Patriot would want to fix his country so that is it inline with Gods commandments
Thats the whole west TBH
Then would we still be our country?
Idk would you consider Catholic americans american?
I mean honestly our race comes first and the church is a very powerful when unified
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Well it depends on where their loyalties rest, do they denounce the foundation of the country in favor of their faith? (As any devout man ought to)
Simple question, Is a devout Catholic an american
A catholic who is not a hypocrit
or rather CAN a devout catholic be an american*
That is solely dependent on what they truly believe. Do they believe that the US is contrary to Catholic belief, or do they embrace the heresy upon which we were founded?
Naturally they would reject the heresy.
Then no I don't think they would.
So all the italians and poles and czechs that have lived in the north for 100's of years were never really americans?
Well, if they keep their culture with them, and renounce the founding of the country which they come to,
then no.
They weren't.
In the same light that the Bantu in Rhodesia were never really and truly British.
Or the Iroquois with their treaties.
Man you are really making me want to hear an awnser to this question from nick tbh
Its a hard question.
It scares me, if I'm honest.
The concept of going against something which my bloodline was so tied to is horrific to me.
Hey if it makes you feel any better, my Father was disowned by my grandfather who was a communist
So I sort of understand.
I think there's a mild difference there.
In that communists are more or less rootless.
Your grandfather was essentially a traitor towards his culture and people with such ideas. A violation of his ancestry and traditions.
Your father returned (presumably) to what it meant to be a part of that culture.
He did.
Im not sure if im missing something here but are you essentially saying why support the US if it went against catholic ideals in its founding?
Yes.
Our fundamental idea as to what it means to be American,