Message from @Georges_Cross
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The selling of indulgences were abused but morally the concept is not wrong
There was always a real church. They were the ones your demonic organization was burning alive for having the Bible in their language.
no there wasn't you have made this up the catholic faith was the real church
I wan't evidence
You think indulgences are permitted? You think man has the authority to sell salvation? You think faith in Christ can be sold?
No the clergy who have inheritted the will of the apostles have the God given right to assign pennance for repenting of sins
if that is giving to charity or the work of the church
that is doctrinally justified
You can't sell believe on Christ. So you either believe. Are you saying faith in Christ doesn't save?
Your clergy inherited gluttony and murder, but never any real spritual authority I'm afraid. None. Zip. Nothing.
Man cannot sell salvation.
you have heard my objection to lutheran heresy you haven't disproved my point your heresy sows confusion so is from lucifer
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
-Phillippians 2:12
^ This is about working for your salvation
I literally demolished your lazy James 2:24 garbage. Same thing every Catholic says. I had to explain to you what James was saying.
Man must come to His own knowledge of Christ. It cannot be sold to him.
Ananias and Sapphira
did not this man give tribute to Peter and the Church
it is in acts
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"
-Romans 5:1
Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”
The early church shared all things in common. They were killed for lying about the price of their house, has nothing to do with Apostolic authority and Peter has nothing to do with your church: He'd hate it.
giving over worldly goods as pennance then has a precedent
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith"
-Galatians 3:24
Was Peter wrong to take the money from annais
Giving away your goods is a good thing, but it has nothing to do with salvation.
so If I gave my property to the church is that wrong
as a way tp show my sincerity of repentance
Of course not
but
The Catholic Church is still no church as it preaches a false Gospel.
It preaches the Gospel
which Gospel do you have a problem with
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
-Galatians 1:8
there is no extra Gospel
If you believe salvation can be earned by works, you believe a false Gospel. I've shown you several verses that without a doubt teach salvation is through faith alone.
no salvation comes with faith
works alone does not work
You've shown me one that you simply didn't understand.
but good works are the fruit of faith
We agree then.