Message from @leopirate

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2018-07-07 02:39:29 UTC  

I do know these things

2018-07-07 02:39:42 UTC  

This is how people who don't have answers speak - sanctimoniously

2018-07-07 02:40:16 UTC  

If there is a moral law which we know and man has no right to error then why would we enthrone as good, right and desirable policies which oppose that moral law?

2018-07-07 02:40:18 UTC  

Jesus kept the ten commandments. Those who follow Christ do as well.

2018-07-07 02:40:22 UTC  

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Revelation 14:12

2018-07-07 02:40:48 UTC  

For the same reason God didn't smite Satan.

2018-07-07 02:40:55 UTC  

He rebuked Satan

2018-07-07 02:41:07 UTC  

he was cast from heaven
removed from the life of grace

2018-07-07 02:41:14 UTC  

He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin.

2018-07-07 02:41:15 UTC  

he was clearly punished

2018-07-07 02:41:40 UTC  

we know from sacred scripture that at the final judgement Satan will be punished and those who reject God will also be punished

2018-07-07 02:41:48 UTC  

See what I said above

2018-07-07 02:41:56 UTC  

And so justice is clearly a virtue

2018-07-07 02:42:02 UTC  

I agree

2018-07-07 02:42:07 UTC  

So why should we not follow that virtue

2018-07-07 02:42:59 UTC  

Because you can say that God allows evil to persist for his own providential ends (which I agree) but he also clearly desires the salvation of man and Christ warns those who would corrupt the faith of others

2018-07-07 02:43:32 UTC  

And he does that through his servants, who observe the sixth commandment.

2018-07-07 02:45:06 UTC  

What the government does should be based on the well being of the state. Letting crimes go unpunished is detrimental to the state. That is separate from what individual Christians should do.

2018-07-07 02:45:30 UTC  

How can what is good for individuals be bad for the State

2018-07-07 02:47:43 UTC  

Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth.

2018-07-07 02:54:12 UTC  

Off topic, but I wonder what church the Apostle Paul was talking about here? 🤔

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; **Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats**, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
Paul the Apostle, 1 Timothy 4:1-3

2018-07-07 02:54:51 UTC  

What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔

2018-07-07 03:10:10 UTC  

"Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth"

What about Christians make up the civil authority?

2018-07-07 03:10:34 UTC  

"What denomination forbids its ecclesia, priests and nuns, from marrying? And that thing called Lent? Hmmm 🤔"

It was the Judaizers who kept the old temple laws

2018-07-07 03:10:59 UTC  

Judaizing was the first heresy and St. Paul devotes a lot of his writings toward combatting it

2018-07-07 03:12:25 UTC  

The Roman Catholic Church didn't exist in the Apostle Paul's time. So if you read the full verse, particularly when he says: "that in the **latter times** some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and **doctrines of devils**"

2018-07-07 03:13:10 UTC  

He did fight against Judaizers. However, he is speaking about practices after his day. Mainly the current practices of the Catholic Church.

2018-07-07 03:13:16 UTC  

How

2018-07-07 03:13:20 UTC  

In this letter to Timothy

2018-07-07 03:13:29 UTC  

Clearly not

2018-07-07 03:13:52 UTC  

How do you interpret "latter times"?

2018-07-07 03:14:04 UTC  

There were plenty of gnostic sects that actually applied these rules universally that fulfills these doctrines much more clearly.

2018-07-07 03:14:11 UTC  

I don't interpret the Bible

2018-07-07 03:14:27 UTC  

of course, leave that to people who know what they're actually doing

2018-07-07 03:14:27 UTC  

Do you have any other goal posts you want to shift?

2018-07-07 03:14:46 UTC  

haha are you seriously saying I'm shifting goal posts while you appeal to authority?

2018-07-07 03:15:03 UTC  

We were talking about freedom of conscience

2018-07-07 03:15:15 UTC  

and like you did with Nick this turned into a general assault on the Church

2018-07-07 03:16:09 UTC  

Prayerful study of the bible reveals more than the interpretations of pedophiles in fancy long robes.

2018-07-07 03:17:02 UTC  

"What about Christians make up the civil authority?"
They can make their arguments for legislation by using secular evidence. Their world view can still be formed by the Word of God, but when it comes to enforcing it, they need empirical evidence.

2018-07-07 03:17:10 UTC  

It is always the last resort of people who have no argument to engage in slander