Message from @leopirate

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2018-07-07 02:32:46 UTC  

So

2018-07-07 02:32:49 UTC  

Yes or no?

2018-07-07 02:33:13 UTC  

Yes we do have the duty, however we cannot do it in fully in our sinful state. We must let God's Son do it for us.

2018-07-07 02:33:25 UTC  

Which means what

2018-07-07 02:33:58 UTC  

By letting Christ's divine character manifest in your actions, speech, personality, etc. you will reflect the character of God -- who has never sinned.

2018-07-07 02:34:08 UTC  

Which means what

2018-07-07 02:34:41 UTC  

I'm not sure what you're asking.

2018-07-07 02:34:49 UTC  

I'm asking you what that means practically

2018-07-07 02:35:10 UTC  

I get that it's a conveniently flattering position to hold rhetorically

2018-07-07 02:36:11 UTC  

If you're not Christian, it seems like rhetoric. But if you do believe in the Gospel, you understand Jesus was the Passover Lamb for the Jew and Gentile. Meaning, by believing in the merits of a crucified and risen savior, you can overcome sin through Christ. Not your own works.

2018-07-07 02:36:34 UTC  

Yeah well again that's convenient rhetoric

2018-07-07 02:36:50 UTC  

Because that doesn't actually tell me anything

2018-07-07 02:36:59 UTC  

Relevant to the question

2018-07-07 02:37:48 UTC  

"Christians" are those who follow Christ -- the anointed one. Practically, your life should resemble the life of the Son of God.

2018-07-07 02:37:58 UTC  

What
Does
That
Entail

2018-07-07 02:38:10 UTC  

Cause I could give you an extremely clear answer

2018-07-07 02:38:14 UTC  

You don't seem capable of that

2018-07-07 02:38:20 UTC  

Living in accordance with the Ten Commandments.

2018-07-07 02:38:25 UTC  

Ok good.

2018-07-07 02:39:08 UTC  

I apologize if I'm not being clear. I assumed you knew the character of Christ already. And how he never sinned, and fulfilled the law.

2018-07-07 02:39:19 UTC  

If you don't know these things, then yes what I said earlier may have seemed like rhetoric. It's not.

2018-07-07 02:39:29 UTC  

I do know these things

2018-07-07 02:39:42 UTC  

This is how people who don't have answers speak - sanctimoniously

2018-07-07 02:40:16 UTC  

If there is a moral law which we know and man has no right to error then why would we enthrone as good, right and desirable policies which oppose that moral law?

2018-07-07 02:40:18 UTC  

Jesus kept the ten commandments. Those who follow Christ do as well.

2018-07-07 02:40:22 UTC  

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Revelation 14:12

2018-07-07 02:40:48 UTC  

For the same reason God didn't smite Satan.

2018-07-07 02:40:55 UTC  

He rebuked Satan

2018-07-07 02:41:07 UTC  

he was cast from heaven
removed from the life of grace

2018-07-07 02:41:14 UTC  

He will smite Satan, but only after he has fulfilled his purpose: Exposing evil to the angels who never knew sin.

2018-07-07 02:41:15 UTC  

he was clearly punished

2018-07-07 02:41:40 UTC  

we know from sacred scripture that at the final judgement Satan will be punished and those who reject God will also be punished

2018-07-07 02:41:48 UTC  

See what I said above

2018-07-07 02:41:56 UTC  

And so justice is clearly a virtue

2018-07-07 02:42:02 UTC  

I agree

2018-07-07 02:42:07 UTC  

So why should we not follow that virtue

2018-07-07 02:42:59 UTC  

Because you can say that God allows evil to persist for his own providential ends (which I agree) but he also clearly desires the salvation of man and Christ warns those who would corrupt the faith of others

2018-07-07 02:43:32 UTC  

And he does that through his servants, who observe the sixth commandment.

2018-07-07 02:45:06 UTC  

What the government does should be based on the well being of the state. Letting crimes go unpunished is detrimental to the state. That is separate from what individual Christians should do.

2018-07-07 02:45:30 UTC  

How can what is good for individuals be bad for the State

2018-07-07 02:47:43 UTC  

Followers of Christ should leave the enforcement of laws to the earthly and heavenly governments, as Jesus did while he was on earth.